as far as I understand, the original BIA sounds a tiny little different, but not really recognizable.
I heard it shall sound 95 - 99 % like the original one, just differs because a other chip was used.
I guess the most people dont identify the difference in sound.
I still have the old one.
The new BIA is a copy of the old one with additional features and swappable firmware to load the other vco-modules on it.
New one is better because of the swappable firmware.
Can I build a bass/drum voice around it ?
Yes absolutely, but it is one on its own.
Many people build a rack just around it, it´s very common.
what´s so special about it?
Does the slope-control affect much?
Im also searching for a new filter and am considering Faun.
I have a BASTL Ikarie at the moment.
How is it compared to that (unless the stereo) ?
Im interested in filters with special character, timbre and also for experimental uses.
Nekyia Root Locus seems also interesting to me.
if your goal is primary Sounddesign, there is much missing.
in this racksize, to much modulation
(your bottom row is gone for modulation.)
the Captain O is redundant if want to process extern synths otherwize its just another modulationsource
if you dont are on a small budget and must rely on Behringer stuff, there are other incedible options, at least for the Sounddesign part.
You may focus on either junction or abacus or the doepfer adsr and drop the rest.
same for waves or four lfo.
the sounddesign capabilities of this rack are very limited.
you may look for modules which combine several ways to process audio in one, like waveshaping, saturation, filtering, delay, feedback and so on.
Also a nice filter for pinging.
if you want to go the low budget route, you may get a much bigger rack for the big sized behringer clones.
but I would invest in 1-2 more high quality modules for Sound-Design.
like Malstrom Wyvern (Filter+ Saturation) or intellijel Sealegs Delay, reverb, saturation)
Version 1: Clank as sequencer + Pams for modulation
Version 2: Jam-friendly turing maschine setup
but ....
if you are really just starting, dont focus on small mini setups (before you know that this exact what you want)
Get a mantis case and start exploring a standard synth voice
or build a utility rack and combine it with a semi modular desktop synth
this special voices like vihkkx or plasma voice are special stuff
maybe not the best to learn and starting out
and if you only want to do sequencing without much modulation and modular workarounts, then it´s probably better to get a used Oxi One or something which fits on the desk.
Me personally like mini setups for special purposes but it´s mostly quiet hard to do them and very expensive for that special individual concept.
If a standard desktop synth can do what you want and maybe also has sequencer and modulation - it´s mostly easier and less expansive.
This rack here will cost like 1500 € - You could also get a nice high end desktop synth for it. (Just to mention)
Wow. Thank you for introducing this beast to me.
Now I need one.
I saw there are cool accent modes on the plasma voice and it even works with midi.
My first idea would be to try the Torso T1 sequencer with it.
I imagine it could be a good fit.
T1 is nice for rhytmic stuff and arps.
And it´s small and looks good besides a small pod.
If you want something in your rack:
Clank Chaos is nice to generate a full random sequence and change it until you like it.
Can go really bonkers - you have to carve the sequences out
Plasma voice seems to have all in it, filter, envelope, distortion = full voice
maybe just add a reverb pedal or any fx of taste.
just pod + sequencer + pedal
or maybe does a MN Mimeophon fit in your pod?
I have my hands on NE Gamut Repetitor and Multi Repetitor at the moment. These could be a good match as well.
Gamut Repetitor offers also nice arps but more on the fly like a turing maschine without save and recall -option.
I saw the performance of the creator with a Erica Black sequencer - also very nice.
But with your small case better use an external sequencer.
How do you experience both?
Are you now satisfaced with the Oneiroi? Why?
I did read some short descriptions about the algorithms. They seem to be very unique and thought out, which makes me curious.
I have a Oneriroi and was thinking about to swap it with Vhikk x.
Does anyone sell a Malekko Voltage Block?
- or any idea for a good alternative?
Purpose: Sequencing and modulating drum voices, like BIA and similar.
I use Pams and mimetic digitalis + lapsus Os at the moment,.
but I need pams for other stuff and I dont like the mimetic digitalis so much.
I need more channels, so I guess I would need like 2-3 Mimetic digitalis + attenuation etc
Voltage Block seems to be a good idea to me, but I see no one around.
-Midi sync clock from ableton to pams works well with the nifty case.
-Mimeophon + Sealegs is also a nice combo.
You could use Mimeophon as dedicated looper device or wild feedback generator.
And the Sealegs for saturation and delay or a kind of endofchain processing.
-Ikarie is also nice, it adds gain with a kind of smooth drive besides the filter.
-You may consider to add a mixer and more attenuation
like a matrix mixer or a mixer with send/return.
mixer modules like Cosmix Pro or ALA Bartender have send/return - but are also large in hp.
a matrix mixer may work also.
-You could add atenuation- and polarizer modules like: Befaco Attn, Lapsus Os, acid rain junction,
-also a small compressor like Wmd Mscl could be nice
-The nifty has no stereo out - so you have to find a solution - if you want stereo out.
even a Befaco Outs could work.
-Mimeophon can transform mono input to stereo outs
Labyrinth is a very complex design which combines different approaches of sound design.
I really appreciate what it offers in this small box.
Maybe you just didnt spend much time with it?
Its a matter of taste, but I get really nice sounds and cool stuff out of it.
But I also love the DFAM.
To me Labyrinth is a unique and a fun maschine. I can spend hours with it - and it covers so much ground.
You can go from a ambient landscape, to percussion and into lunatic madness - just with a few simple knob twists.
I have also so much modules to do weird stuff - but I apreciate this little box.
-I like to use matrix mixers and vcas to patch modulation busses and control busses.
Works also with melodies and gates.
So you you can have many elements that effect each other - but you can blend it always back and forth as you like.
Often consisting of a basic sequence as base element, some kind of shift register, lfos, enevelopes, burst and more -
but you just give a little bit of its complexity, maybe a bit more random there, a bit chaotic bursts over here
- like Bob Ross painting a picture :D
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So its about planing a good control core for many fluctuating elements.
The other aspect is to think about generative chains, to get a working factory of elements.
So your design chains of possibility and effects that work together like a net or maybe network.
Something like:
Enevelope X triggers sequencer B at 20 % - while LFO C changes the pattern, but only if it the value of sequence A is smaller than sequence B.
The shift register goes trough a vca, the vca only opens if trigger Y fires, - trigger Y occurs 5 % of the triggerrate of trigger X.
Trigger Y also fires the main envelope but the envelope changes everytime a low note occurs...............
................. and so on ...................
Not the best example, but you can design a kinds of synergetic flow between modules, if you think about how they can combine movements in cv.
also simple stuff like combining a Lapsus Os with a Gamut Repetitor can be a good point without complex pastching.
I do mostly all mixing, processing and effects in the rack.
(just recording the mix in my audio interface)
I like it because I found a way of analog processing in my rack, that sounds good to me - and more special than processed in my daw.
But at the moment:
I also use a module that acts as multitrack recorder - "Half-Time-Modular 8TR"
I record my jams on it, drop the SD card later on my computer and use the seperate stems in the DAW.
so I have both - the individual stems and the whole mix with analog processing.
But there are many possibillities and ways to go,
People say that ES 9 is hard to setup - but once you got it running, it works.
But I never tried one.
Some people use a tascam mixer with multitrackrecording
A 1010 bluebox as module or desktop can be a solution - to mix and record
For routing - I keep it very simple -
Aikido acts as my drum bus, (with some saturation, compression, filtering and ducked feedback with other modules like dark matter, MSCL, 100 grit and more.....)
I take a copy of each channel to record the dry and wet audio of each channel with the 8TR.
Pamelas Pro workout + Axon 2 expander
can do much stuff on its own to sequence and modulate drums - even logic, cross modulating channels, euclidean etc
The cross modulation option of channels (like max of ch 1 and 2 or min of 5 and 7 .... are awesome for drums)
Another idea is - Acid Rain Constellation - you can stack patterns to get new ones wth logic, euclidean, bursts and stuff
Noise enginnering JamJam is cool and small hp fpr probality and gate delay (also to run several sequencers)
I like Bastl Aikido as drum mixer with sidechain (you can moulate rhythmically)
or a befaco percall with noise sources to get glitchy beats
Clank Chaos - can be nice for extreme random and glitch on drums, but it can also be just chaos
shift register modules work well, even a marbles or turing machine with expanders
Benjolin can also do nice rhytmic stuff
Ana 2 - from mystic circus is a swiss army knife for logic (well paired with maths and stuff)
Black noise cosmos is aso nice for logic and also audio processing
Schlappi Engineering NIbbler + BTMX + BTFLD are very useful to sequence nice grooves with logic combinations
mixing gates with a matrix mixer is fun (also adding unsynced lfos, random and stuff, to your patterns)
combining different sequencers and to mix their outputs with matrix mixers and logic modules can be cool
(sequencing) your sequencers can be fun
things like window comperters like Compare 2
picking drums is a matter of taste but:
I go for: SSF Ultra Perc (percussion) + SSF Metalloid (hats) +SSF Ultra kick or Battering Ram as (kick)
It gives me drums which doesnt need much processing to sound awesome - with a very wide range of sounds - its all covered with just 3 modules
"Forgive me father for what I have synthed (for christmas)" - (4 repeats)
"TME Vihkk X is temping me, oh lord
But with your faith I will be strong
Dont let these drones come to my house
Dont let these wicked algorithms grind on me
Because its your house
I did similar cases a few times.
I would add some good adtenuverter modules, like:
Befaco Atte, Black Noise Goma II, Rides in the storm QUA
or for 1u: Befaco 1u Motion MTR, inntellijell quadratt etc
Other option coulde be to add a Axon 2 expander besides your Pamelas Workout and discard ochd, tilt - to do all modulation just with Pams. A mixer module in the 1u would be useful to mix cvs but if you just use Pams + Axon 2 - you can mix and atenuate your modulation just in pams.
On the other hand ochd works well with morpagene and mimeophone
a Cara marbles clone works well in small cases
a Gliss 1u could be fun to record custom lfos and more stuff.
a small compressor like WMD mscl could be useful 4 hp
BAStL Ikarie is a good choice as a small filter with stereo spread and some gain. 8 hp
Rackbrute 6u is nice but then it will be harder to transport and it will be more as just a small effect rack.
Go for the Rackbrute if you want to build a whole ambient setup, with own voices, more complex modulation etc
watch out for some noise sources.
My secret weapon of choice is: SGR1806-20 kNoB technology but there are smaller alternatives.
A Benjolin could also be a good fit, like Benjolin V2. chaotic random + osc + filter.
Another idea could also to drop it all and to just get a "Befaco Oneiroi" for a pod or as standalone. = intant ambient similar to such a effect case - or maybe just Oneiroi + Pams
I would go definetly a whole different route with a Rackbrute 6u as with a palette case.
I cant see a concept in you rack. Do you have one?
Maybe simplifiy it at first.
add some utility, like attenuators and stuff, and envelopes.
How do you distribute the modulation?
Looks like, you put many big and complex modules together but miss the whole important stuff around.
Looks a bit like a mess to me, but maybe you have a plan behind it and I just dont know what you are going after.
For my taste I experienced the subharmonicon way to hard to play with other instruments.
Because of the subharmonic character it can be hard to get musical results if you dont have a deep understanding of music theory, intervals, tunings and stuff.
If you do just noodleing and experimental music it might be a good playground but dont expect to get regular music out of it immediatly.
Here are a few small ideas. Every row is a new idea.
If you want do do more complex stuff, you can add more stuff later.
Vihhk X with 2 Gliss controllers
Vihh x is a monster of a drone voice with internal effects
You basically need no other effects, just modelating it can be fun.
Very simple and small
1 Gliss for sequences -
1 Gliss for modulation and motion recording
You could add more modulation later. (if needed)
Oneiroi -
all in one ambient voice, sampler, effect unit with internal modulation -
you can have fun just with this without anything else
Strega + 0-ctrl
experimental synth voice with delay effect
sequenced and controlled by 0-ctrl
very performance oriented, works well for soundscapes and noisescapes
Rack focused on SGR 1806-20
SGR is a industrial drum/noise voice but i can do awesome drones.
in combination with a mimeophon (dark delay, reverb, looper) it can be impressive
Dark Matter is nice for insane feedback but even suttle processing, and can do also insane sounds on its own.
Modulating Mimeophon and Dark Matter rhytmically can be awsome.
Mimeophon can be also like a instrument, with feeback and karplus strong.
Pamelas Pro Workout as Main modulation and sequencing hub.
Benjolin with Turing Maschine expanders as sequencer, modulation, filter and soundsource.
You can use the SGR for industrial drums or even drones
Dark Matter + Mimeophon (feedack, distortion, delay, reverb, looper)
Small SGR-Drone
SGR as drone and noise source
Ochd for slow envolving modulation + expander adds triggers, random, more cv for modulation.
uClouds for reverb, granular
Labyrinth + Sealegs
Labyrinth as soundsource and sequencer
Sealegs as selfmodulating Delay, Saturation and reverb.
There will be a lot of movement going on just with this 2 modules.
Maybe my favorite: Collide 4 focused with rhytmically noise sequencing
noise plethora + percal + muxslicer = glitchy, chopped up noise rhythms
Collide 4 as main vco, complex vco, percussion, distortion, processing, sound design tool
Mimeophon as looper with delay + reverb
Gliss can provide a quantized pitch sequence or just as custom lfo
I would like to drop the idea to just do a very small drum rack.
I had much fun to assemble different small drum maschines in eurorack in just a palette case or nifty case.
Sure its easier to get just a pulsar or something, but I really like the format and for me it works well and unique.
It could be fun
Thank you for pointing on this incredible pedal
- Now I need this.
Does someone like to sell or swap one?
Check the experimental sampler-modules of "Error Instruments"
I guess you could archive somekind of similar territority with:
"MI Beads" or "Moonson (with the right firmware)" + a turing maschine module like - (Noise Engineering Gamut Repetitor / Marbles, Clank Chaos .....)
But I guess there is some final sauce missing.
-a Make Noise Strega? experimental synth voice, delay, lots of magic for soundscapes
-maybe just add something like a MI Beads? gives your granular, delay, reverb .... all in one.
-or a Mimeophon? Delay, Feedback, looper, Reverb. = Fun
but check out the Oneiroi. could be what you are looking for
What seems attractive to me is, to modulate "scale", "MMS" and "root"
With Clank Chaos, it can sometimes take a bit until you find a sequence you like.
But you can save it, recall it and apply "just a small percent of random" and it mutates with very useful results.
But you have only one (assignable) CV control, to modulate + 1 cv too start / stop looping + 1 cv to apply new random.
Any thoughts or experience on NE Gamut Repetitor vs Clank Chaos - for melodic sequencing?
I have a Clank Chaos and Im tempted to get a Gamut for doing melodic sequences, but I as Im thinking, the Chaos just has it all?
What about the musicallity results of the algorhitms?
I think something like:
Chaos:
like a 6 Channel Turinng Maschine with:
-individual randomisation of each channel
-control of individual channels
-global randomisation
-a few save slots to recall sequences
Gamut:
-4 Channel Turing Maschine
-only global randomisation
-no further control of individual channels
-some controls more accesable on front like "up/down", "root", "spread"
-no save slots
