Cool module but 7hp panel? That's just evil. Might have to 3d print a replacement panel for this in 6hp.
Working fine now! Thanks. All pages now loading as they had been.
One other device in the "slo-mo" modulation realm comes to mind: the 4ms Pingable Envelope Gen. This is capable of rise/fall cycles of a half-hour plus, and has clock-based control over cycle times with either an incoming clock or an internal clock with tap tempo. Adding one of Nonlinearcircuits' low-speed chaotic sources might also be of some use here.
I think Ornaments & Crime has been revamped by someone to work in a Pulp Logic 1U row. You might want to check it out. It may have been Temps Utile.
Noise Engineering just released three different 4U distortion modules. I see a lot of NE in your rack. I would check that out too.
I'm getting a small spinning black loading gear above all the racks in my Command Center
-- bottomfeeder
At least that should be fixed. The screenshot server crashed and is now up again ...
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I can't answer all of your questions. But here's what I have.
Compare the NerdSeq to the 1010 Music Toolbox sequencer. See if one workflow is better than the other. I think the Toolbox will be better for instant gratification but the NerdSeq will be better for building songs.
The Expert Sleeper FH2 requires configuring before you access it with your DAW. If you wish to reconfigure it, then you have to quit out of your DAW, open the browser interface, make your changes, load up your DAW again and see if the changes are to your liking. You can make changes via the module's front panel. But the menu'ing system isn't that intuitive. That's been my experience. I would take this into consideration unless they've improved the USB interface.
Instead of a 2HP LFO, have you considered a 2HP switch instead? Being able to switch between different modulation sources might be more useful than another LFO.
Slew limiters are great. Being able to plug in a simple CV sequence and then slew between the values at a slow rate might be tasty for drones. The Rampage or Maths work well at this with individual controls over rising and falling CV. Both can also be used as a basic envelope generator as well as having comparative or even mixing functionality (Maths). If you have the space, one of these is a great utility module to have about.
Thanks for checking it out, I use Modulagrid daily and love it. Extremely useful tool! I'm getting a small spinning black loading gear above all the racks in my Command Center where snap shot of all racks are shown in full, have never seen this before( most likely as pages were loading immediately before this problem). My main rack loads straight away, but if I try to load one of the other racks, page just sits for up to sixty seconds. Also have the same problem at that point with any of the modulagrid menu items or logging out. Have the same problem with both Safari and Chrome.
Has their been any change on MODULARGrid's side?
Nothing that should lead to bad performance.
Have more tracking cookies been implemented. Are you cross tracking? I'm using same browser, computer and fiber connection with no problems with loading speeds elsewhere.
No. We have Google Analytics and ReCaptcha. Nothing creepy besides the usual Google creepiness.
I look if I see strange behaviour.
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I've noticed the last 2 days Slow Loading (up to 1 minute) of Racks in Command Center and Me section. Bouncing between my 6 racks, loading an alternate rack. Also jumping to a any of MODULARGrid's menu items. Browser just load 1/4 of the progress bar and stay at that quarter mark for 45 to 60 seconds then loads page. Also does the same thing when trying to logout. Have used MODULARGrid for more than a year and this is the first time I've in encountered this problem. Has their been any change on MODULARGrid's side? Have more tracking cookies been implemented. Are you cross tracking? I'm using same browser, computer and fiber connection with no problems with loading speeds elsewhere.
Skinny/minimalist case designs. The 4ms Pods just have a thin black line around them (except at the top, which you don't need here). Others are similar. Be nice to have a "non-case case" where the edges are just a black line border rather than an imitation of wood or other "real life" case.
Obviously "inspired by" the Moog Grandmother...although, this is more like your grandmother's creepy neighbor with the overgrown yard, who always smells like mothballs and Kools.
I bough him a M303 one month ago,
At the begining, everything was friendly, but since he got my money, he desappear.. Any news, no response anywhere, and of course, he doesn't send me anything..
I lost 230 euros, thanks a lot man.
Run away from him.
(Got all the proof if needed).
Take care.
That's good to know, thanks!
(And FWIW, there is no black WMD Performance Mixer. It looks like whoever made the original change just did a horrible Photoshop job. Yikes!)
You don't have to revert modules if you just want to use former panel graphics.
Use the Panel Selector function in the rack planner.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/1749
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I reverted back to the previous revision. I hope that's ok!
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/versions/view/69943
Can someone change this back to silver? I have no idea why someone changed it to black.
huh - that's fascinating/fun - Safari doesn't see posts here, but chrome does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-- RDaneel
Looks good in Safari 12.1
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Thanks again for helping me!
I now realise that ”generative music” is a much more complicated issue than I thought. So I will not use that term anymore when I discuss my racks.
By the way, your explanation of ”generative” is the best I have read and I now think I understand it a little bit better.
I also realise that a fully generative rack for the moment is a bit to expensive for me. So I start slowly and try to maybe achieve the first two orders of control.
Is there any racks at Modulagrid that is tailor made for generative experimentation?
The tuner is intended for tuning some vco:s to chords and I thougt it would be handy to have it in the rack. But I have a couple of chromatic guitar tuners I can use instead.
So admittedly, I've already built this and it's fairly solid for drones, i.e.; does what it says on the tin. When I feel like doing something more rythmic I have an MFB Urzwerg Pro, Electro-Harmonix 8 Step Program and a TT-303 hence the lack of any sequencers. For effects I already had a bunch of guitar pedals with plenty of pitch shifting options and rack mount FX so the ADDAC200PI though I realise the drawback of those is a lack of CV. The primary focus of the rack is indeed drone and dark ambient, but I'm also interested in industrial, IDM, acid house and breakcore.
Most of the modules I chose for this I did so because they could do things I couldn't find a cost-effective way to do outside of modular (hence the E350, Morpheus, Warps etc.). A few of the modules here do synergise well and I feel like I have most bases covered including even sampling in a limited sense, but there just seems to be a certain something missing and I don't know what it is; I've considered going for a third row but actually finding it harder to come to a decision on what is most needed.
Here are some modules I've considered:
Serge triple waveshaper
ADDAC 207 quad intuitive quantizer - seems like a logical option for times when I need drones to mesh with other stuff outside of the modular tuning-wise
Mutable Instruments Shelves - a friend of mine once blew my mind with a certain sound when he modulated the frequency of an EQ at a high rate, this would give me the ability to do that on two channels and I could just use it as a conventional EQ & filter alongside it. It'd also make the ALM EQ obsolete though, most likely.
Zvex Instant Lofi Junky - A chorus which you couldn't come across too easily outside of modular. Sure there's also a version of it in pedal format but that doesn't have the CV control!
Expert Sleepers FH-1/2 or Endorphin.es Shuttle Control - obviously for MIDI to CV/Gate control, I'm really on the fence about whether either of these would be useful for me. I have a MIDI I/O PCI card so it would mean I could control the modular with software, which is potentially a big deal?
Intellijel Shifty - looks like there are some useful utilities on offer here, I do sometimes find that I wish I had more than the one channel of S&H from the Pittsburgh Mod Tools.
Zlob modular VnIcursal - You know what they say about how you can never have enough VCAs, and I can't get enough of the idea of combined VCAs and mixers. This is like Intellijel quad VCA only even more space-efficient to me, and if I need the features of the quad VCA I'd be keeping that.
2hp LFO - between the Batumi, Kamieniec, Mod Tools etc. I have a few LFOs, but a couple more couldn't hurt and might come in handy when there's 3 rows to work with?
I was thinking in addition to this, maybe a compressor, since modulating the E350 tends to cause volume spikes in certain waveforms, but I'm not sure how effective that would be?
Something else that might be useful is a slewer? On the other hand, I can't say I've ever felt a real need for one.
Would like to know what your thoughts are on these ideas for a third row. Feel free to roast me over the decisions on the two rows I've already got!
Oh and just a patch I loved on the IDM/breakcore side of things that might be worth trying for any of you: I have the Warps on the obligatory Parasite firmware, patched a Korg ES-1 into the ADDAC200PI then through the Warps on Comparator, then back out. Results in extremely aggressive sounding drums!
Edit: And some more modules I have considered:
Befaco Rampage
NerdSeq - It would be nice to be able to play this portably if I don't use a FH-1/2 or Shuttle Control. my primary DAW software is a tracker so the interface is familiar to me and it has enough channels.
I'm open to ideas of different modules than the ones I've mentioned and prepared to accept I may have some ideas which don't make sense here. I haven't felt like there's a particular module I've got that was a mistake (though I don't find I use the Dreadbox WL Divider much) but if there's any I should really get rid of I could accept that too.
One of the main jokes amongst Mac users when Safari was introduced was that its primary use was to connect to Firefox's site to download a REAL browser. Nice to see that Apple's not bothered to change that... :p
Oh...and you can't mix Intellijel and "original" format tiles in the same 1U row. They're not exactly the same, despite what they might look like.
The A-135-2 isn't a bad choice, although if you go with Codex Modulex's u4xVCA, you get the ability to change the VCA response from linear (which is all the A-135-2 does) to exponential, which is better for audio. Linear VCAs are much better for CV and modulation level control, where you want something with linear proportions in your level changes for scalability.
Tuner: lose it. It occupies space in the cab with a function that's better left OUTside the cab. Plus, you can do better; this L-1 module costs $95, and while it's a Eurorack module, what it really is is a remounted guitar tuner...which you can easily see from the description: "Momentary press select tunning item: Chromatic, Guitar, Bass, Violin, Ukulele. Default position is Chromatic." This isn't the right tool for electronic music instruments. Instead, spend $45 more and get this: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StroboPlusHD--peterson-sp-1-stroboplus-hd-chromatic-handheld-strobe-tuner Strobetuners have the ability to more clearly indicate tuning for microtones, they inherently function as chromatic tuners and in other temperaments (this Peterson model has 90 different tuning tables onboard). And it'll deal with a Concert A that can range from 390 - 490 Hz, as opposed to the 430 - 450 range of the L-1. I've used Strobetuners since back in my old middle school band days in the mid-1970s...they're definitely the right tool for the job here.
Now, let's actually consider how generative process composition works...
In order for this method to work well, you need to look at nested control sources. Basically, if you have some LFOs controlling pitches, then perhaps another LFO that slowly alters their rates would add to the complexity and self-regulatory aspect. And if you have that other LFO, why not add a couple of comparators to read its voltage curve levels, then the gates from those being tripped on or off can then allow other functions to be regulated...perhaps you can fire envelopes with them, or switch mixer mutes on or off, etc. We call these layers "orders of control"...the above example would actually have two orders of control, with the first being the basic LFO, then the second being both the other LFOs and comparators which then directly affect the sound production aspect of a patch.
When you start getting into third and fourth orders, especially when some of the control signals are recursive and can feed back into the lower layers, this is when you start developing a self-regulating patch. But mind you, that's A patch...not the whole thing, but just one voice. You'll want several. And some of these patches can affect others, or operate independently. When you get into this zone, then you're creating generative music. There would be no mathematical method for causing all of the layers to coincide at their respective start-points again, no matter how long the system runs. But at the same time, all of these processes are sufficiently constrained at the sound production layer so that any outcome has a specific desired sound, pitch center, mode, timbral gamut, etc.
What both Ronin and wiggler55550 appear to be getting at above is that this seems like it's a bit underequipped for serious, hardcore generative work. Trying to cram all of these self-regulated structures into a 6U RackBrute is not merely a challenge...it may in fact be nearly impossible to achieve the control density in that small a build to create these necessary orders of control. I won't say 100% impossible because there's always a way to do SOMETHING in Eurorack...but the panel density you'd have to approach would then make the whole thing a bitch-and-a-half to patch and control. You might be able to manage 1-2 of these control structures between the cab and the MB 2s, but then you'd probably have to deal with deficiencies in your sound production layer.
Ultimately, to do really effective self-regulating work like this, you need space. 2 x 88 hp just doesn't seem like enough.
I'm in the middle of re-arranging everything and figuring out what I do/don't want. My main cases are a pair of Pod 48x's - and are represented in the first two rows here.
The first one is my "learn pressure points/brains" kit - it has a clock, pressure points and brains, and plaits, as well as giving me some output.
The second one will be my "learn mimetic sequent & clouds" kit -- this one isn't a powered 48x, and I'm really kicking myself for that - it's tempting to get another 48x that is powered, so that with freed up 4hp from the power supply I can put in the mutable ears (I've been playing with putting a case with ears on a piano, and letting ears's contact mic pickup feed into clouds -- I've built a small board that lets me use a standard sustain pedal to control freeze on clouds).
The fourth row is a set of 1U bits that I'm pulling together, I'm playing with making a custom 4U 60hp case - and these are going to be the feeder for that. The 4 hole "blank tile" is my sustain pedal -> gate adapter board I've made.
The third row is my "leftovers" - many of which aren't racked at the moment. These are the modules that I still need to figure out what to do with. I'm not sure I'm going to keep the TSNM - it's a fun controller to play with, but Pressure Points works better for my brain. Ditto the racked PO-32, especially now that I'm figuring out other ways to get rhythm stuff with the equipment in the first two rows. The rest of the modules are things that I may work back into the main cases at some point, but I'm really a fan of keeping the two small cases and working as much as I can out of that.
Future things that I think I want to add to my setup (once I come to terms with the fact that I might not be able to keep living in a pair of 48hp cases):
(Also - throwing this here as much as a memo to myself as anything - I'm curious whether or not this will end up as a public post - here's to finding out!)
I think I could use A-135-2 Quad VCA / VC Mixer for mixing. The Swamp and Maths is intended for random cv with maybe a litte help from the Turing machine TM. Even the sequencer in Minibrute 2s can produce random cv.
My Minibrute 2s has three LFOs and two separate step sequencer tracks that I guessed was a good start. I even intend to use the Minibrutes VCF, but two filters are maybe not enough?
Another filter would be nice. Maybe a QPAS or Joranalogue?
You could use a Pamela's New Workout or Temps Utile to generate some gate/trigger patterns. Speaking of which, smaller sequencers can be wonderful for modulating sounds; not just generating note information.
Consider getting clones of the Mutable stuff. They are smaller so not as convenient if you're using them live... but the savings in HP are well worth it if you've not purchased yet.
-- Ronin1973
Hi,
I though that with Ripples and the Erica Synth pico VCF1 could be enough Filters for now... But struggled a bit as I preferred a Doepfer Wasp instead (of the pico one). The half solution is to get it anyway and keep changing modules as they are needed.
Pamela's is in my list (not in the rack, but definitely willing to try it in the near future) :)
MI's are already here... would only change them if the setup feels too weak in other functions.
Thanks for your response.
Hi Everyone,
I need advice on my first Eurorack setup. It would be sequenced by a Novation Circuit, mostly I'd feed in drum loops from a sampler that I would enrich with modulated effects inside the Eurorack config, but I also want to have some sound sources that are created inside the setup.
You'll notice I can't decide between Batumi quad LFO and Maths, I'm worried I won't have enough modulation sources as I would want to modulate everything, the distortion units, QPAS, etc - this is where Vector Space comes in. And what do you think of QPAS? Has so many outputs and have stereo modulation capabilities.
What I'm making is very distortion heavy so I wouldn't take out the Plasma Drive (and possibly Geiger Counter too) that were selected specifically.
Let me know what you think, if I'm missing something. I'd acquire the modules in at least three phases not at once, that would also leave room for me to change the planned combination.
Another filter would be nice. Maybe a QPAS or Joranalogue?
You could use a Pamela's New Workout or Temps Utile to generate some gate/trigger patterns. Speaking of which, smaller sequencers can be wonderful for modulating sounds; not just generating note information.
Consider getting clones of the Mutable stuff. They are smaller so not as convenient if you're using them live... but the savings in HP are well worth it if you've not purchased yet.
I see multiple oscillators. How do you intend on mixing them together? I see one device for generating random CV. I don't see any LFOs or step sequencers.
You're creating generative sounds and you only have one filter. So how will your sounds evolve over time? I realize you also have the Mini-Brute... but that's not going to get you very far.
You left some space - good idea!
What's the Tuner for?
Where are the cv generators to drive your generative patches?
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About the expense I certainly agree ;)
What do you use as an output module to run the rack into the amp?
-- nlscelli
Intellijel 1U Audio I/O module. With the 1U 1/4 jacks installed on the right side of my rack.
Here is a cheap tuner module:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/l-1-digital-tuner
About the expense I certainly agree ;)
What do you use as an output module to run the rack into the amp?
Interesting... Do you run your rig into the pa or into your amp?
-- nlscelli
I run it into my amp, and also split the signal into a USB audio input for recording, and I use monitor speakers. I don't have a PA since I don't gig, just mess around in the studio for now.
Overall my opinion on eurorack as a guitar effects is that standard pedals are probably better and more powerful (and loads cheaper)... However, having all the patching options will let you make different and interesting sounds.
More VCAs. You have plenty of modulation sources, but you only have VCAs that seem to be for your audio. Being able to put your LFOs, looping EGs, and so forth under VCA level control will add a lot of nuance to your modulation use. But go smaller, something along the lines of Happy Nerding's 3xVCA or Intellijel's uVCA II (half of a Quad VCA, basically) would work wonders in limited space...both are just 6 hp.
DO add the Zadar's expander module, the Nin. Given that the Zadar is intended for modulation uses, the Nin adds some basic functions that make it work nicer for that sort of thing.
So...that leaves 5 hp. Given that you've got loads of stompboxes at hand, perhaps a send/return module would be useful in that space. And with 5 hp, Bastl's Hendrikson seems like the right choice. It also gives you CV over your wet/dry mix level, can function as a feedback controller, has clip indicators for your I/O signals, and your external loop I/O points are proper 1/4" jacks for directly connecting typical guitar cables...no messing with fiddly 3.5mm adaptors here!
-- Lugia
Wow, thanks for the suggestions. I was trying to convince myself to live without the NIN (to save that little space), but yes, I'll end with one soon (hating the odd hp modules, pico DSP was there to make it even again ).
Also, I've been reading about a Intellijel little 1U 8hp VCA coming soon ( https://www.modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-1u-dual-stereo-vca-module ) that little module could be worth the sacrifice of the 2xUSB 1U power plugs.
Finally the other option is to just use the pedals+guitar with the 1/4" jacks on the top of the case and audio I/O 1U and take another big VCA module instead (but not sure wich one for 11hp).
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More VCAs. You have plenty of modulation sources, but you only have VCAs that seem to be for your audio. Being able to put your LFOs, looping EGs, and so forth under VCA level control will add a lot of nuance to your modulation use. But go smaller, something along the lines of Happy Nerding's 3xVCA or Intellijel's uVCA II (half of a Quad VCA, basically) would work wonders in limited space...both are just 6 hp.
DO add the Zadar's expander module, the Nin. Given that the Zadar is intended for modulation uses, the Nin adds some basic functions that make it work nicer for that sort of thing.
So...that leaves 5 hp. Given that you've got loads of stompboxes at hand, perhaps a send/return module would be useful in that space. And with 5 hp, Bastl's Hendrikson seems like the right choice. It also gives you CV over your wet/dry mix level, can function as a feedback controller, has clip indicators for your I/O signals, and your external loop I/O points are proper 1/4" jacks for directly connecting typical guitar cables...no messing with fiddly 3.5mm adaptors here!
Output modules are yet another set of collective victims of "Sexy Module Syndrome". Frankly, they're just not sexy, as a rule. But they're pretty essential, IMHO. It's convenient to have your level step-down inside your cab, for one thing. And if the module has ganged attenuation for stereo level control...well, bonus! But the critical thing with these is to find ones that have isolation and/or balancing transformers. For one thing, these help you avoid ground loop hum and "dirty" power noise. But also, transformer isolation is a sure-fire avoidance for passing DC through your audio output...because transformers don't pass DC, period. And as an extra benefit, you can overdrive and saturate output transformers to add a little warm crunchiness to your sound.
Like anything else that doesn't fit into Sexy Module Syndrome...they're not sexy, but that doesn't mean they're useless!
Put a few VCAs back in. Right now, you have sort of 4 1/2-ish, and while these deal with the audio aspects nicely, you have no VCAs for dealing with modulation and/or CVs.
Lose the '07 Mult. If the O&C's quantizing is driving the VCOs across all four channels, you don't have enough modules on each channel to require the buffering.
The flow on this build is sort of odd, actually...there's things up near the VCOs that would probably work better by the mixer, and vice-versa. For example, the Mir...it seems like it would be optimal for controlling and summing levels from your four VCOs, but it's not located in a row that's convenient to the VCOs themselves. Whenever possible, try and keep your patchcord lengths short as longer ones can pick up electronic crud more easily.
As for filters...you might look at G-Storm's stuff, most notably his ARP 2600 4012 VCF clone. G-Storm's VCFs also usually have the convenience of dual input mixing...very convenient!
Ears is mainly a contact mic module. Its main point is its built-in contact mic for creating bonks, scrapes, etc. As an external input module, it's missing lower impedence settings (1 Mohm only), and requires jumper changes to change its preset attack/release times and input sensitivity level. Contrast that with something such as Doepfer's venerable A-119: variable levels and thresholds on the front panel with no presets, and two different inputs for either line-level signals or low-level instruments or microphones on appropriate jacks. As someone who prefers my contact mics on the other end of a cable, this seems to be the convenient option.
As for ES-3 vs ES-8...yes, you want USB and you definitely want the four return channels. USB is much easier to deal with in many settings, whereas a lightpipe-only interface like the ES-3 largely anchors your modular to a fixed position that has an ADAT lightpipe I/O somewhere. And those four returns aren't just for recording your system's output; they can also serve functions such as allowing the modular to work as your session clock, sending triggering signals from the modular back into the DAW to allow the synth to determine actions in software, sending modulation from the modular back into the software for use there, etc.
Last, cables. Get them. Get LOTS of them. If you think you have enough cables, you probably don't have enough cables. And use inline mults; 126 hp x 2 is still small enough that I'd recommend not using passive mult modules in the case in order to squeeze a little more function in. And buffered mults really serve their purpose when you've got to spread a CV/gate/trig out across 5, 6 etc modules; just splitting a CV between 2-3 VCOs, for example...that doesn't need a buffered mult with the vast majority of VCO modules these days.
I recommend @jonjonjon well and fast shipped modules
Thanks for all the feedback. I'd always see small output modules on the edges of most cases ad found them a bit lacking. I like the idea of using a mixer to properly EQ and blend signals together, it's why I liked the cross fader from the Rosie. Now, I'd like something a bit more involved with the rest of the case that instead allows me to push a few signals out while also letting me to route effects, filters, and modulation.
Thanks for all the suggestions; definitely have something to think over now.
Hello there, I need suggestions to fill the last 14 hp of a 7U Intellijel case. Probably the modulation section is already overcrowded
For now, the modules with their primary functions are:
-Maths, Kinks, Links, Disting Mk4: Multitools
-Stages: Main ADSR
-Zadar: Meta-modulator
-Batumi: Main LFO
-Plaits + Braids clone: Main Oscillators
-Branches: Main Filter
I was thinking about a Intellijel Planar 2 as controller / more random functions as MI Branches / Intellijell scales for some independent quantize / Another VCA (Veils maybe?) / Another turing machine.
But at this point I'm not really sure what to add (I don't want a FX module... already got a lot of pedals for that) and need recommendations.
Thanks in advance.
Oh, I just noticed that there is a CV Envelope Follower in CV Tools:
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/cv-tools-live-coming-soon/
Besides the convenience of Ears (the tactile surface, the possibility of not having to go through the computer, the hands-on experience), what are its benefits? Will the analog/digital conversions of going through the computer have a negative effect in this regard as well?
I'm a few modules away from a new milestone in a completed 4 row 84 hp case. In the top hole I want a XAOC Odessa once it's released. Maybe an ES-8 on the left. But I wanted to get your opinions on what, if anything I might be missing. I like doing mostly bass/sound design (lazers especially), simple techno beats, and some light melodic stuff. In the sketches the bottom rows were filled mostly with more VCAs and Filters. If you have any ideas or input I'd love some feedback. Thank you.
