How it emulate Four Tet's sound?

CV pal is the link as far as note voltage and gate from the external sequencer (Logic). It can also be a modulation source with Logic providing external MIDI control. The MIDI part is of course emulated as this is a USB interface, but in practical terms it is the MIDI to CV/gate converter. As it only works with the USB 5V DC source, the keyboard tracking is limited. But I barely know how to play a keyboard anyway, so im happy if it tracks a few octaves.

what are the three jacks at the bottom?
would it be possible to make the VCAs switchable to ring mods?

Clearly, I've lost my frickin' mind...

No, actually, it does make sense. This is based on the 21U ADDAC System Monster cab with the addition of the 2U rack-top. The top row of 1U tiles mounts into the bottom of the two RU there, and up top are a pair of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/101939-Middle-Atlantic-Products-LT-1R . Power link to the top is via the DIN jacks, of which the ES one is just a placeholder; the actual article will be a single 5-pin DIN on a 4hp panel, which will connect from the +/-12v/gnd rails in the main cab w/ some 18ga, pass that over an 18ga x 3 cable to the upper DIN, and from there it flows back to a smallish busboard in the top section. I explored using just a tile-tail to pass that to a Pulplogic interconnect, but got hinky about running the total load thru the 26ga conductors on those. The whole back section is easy to close off on that rack addition, too, and since the rack lighting bars are also DC...mmmmmmaybe those can be tapped off of the DC bus, since total load at this point is nowhere near the rating of the ADDAC supplies (10A per 12v rail).

Also, down at the bottom, yes, that looks odd. Don't count those as part of the ADDAC; they're really to show the placement of three of Synisi's 3U x 24hp tile-row cabs. Left is 'timing', middle is 'control' and the right is 'effects', all of which are really sort of auxiliaries to the in-cab functionality and/or my typical controller of choice (Arturia Keystep). Having three I/O tiles on the right side allows a lot of things to be easily inserted from outside the rack's architecture besides effects; these could also be used for channeling signals out to external filters (yep, got some of those), could be an I/O loop for another to utilize the onboard s, or whatever. Flexible.

Uhhhh...why? Makes it more versatile. I like to do music that has a lot of internal complexity which changes slowly, process-wise, over the duration of a work. By having a monstrosity like this, I can set up quite a few different processes in the same , and using the various VCAs in the mix section at the bottom-right, achieve that gradual shift across time behavior I dig. Note that there's four Intellijel quad VCAs next to the Qu-bit Mixology; the idea is that each Quad VCA feeds a channel on the Qu-bit, with that handling final dynamics, main effect bussing, and panning...but that doesn't mean four processes. Rather, I can run, technically, 16 (4 x 4) and the various mixed permutations of those (16!...do the math to get that hideous number). And this all fits into a space (not counting the Synisi minicabs) roughly 41" square and a hair over 18" deep. And ADDAC even thoughfully provided some cut-in handles on this sucker, so...portable-ish. Kinda. Sorta. Wellll...OK, only maybe a little. EVEN SO...!

Freakin' expensive thing, tho...however, might be doable at some point in the coming year. Maybe.

One change since original post: I swapped out one of the Sputnik quad LPGs for two Metasonix modules that have two channels of LPG themselves, plus a 2hp 4->1 mixer to handle the mixing capacity that the Metasonixes lack. Better...two flavors of LPG now, with one being more orthodox and the other being...well, the product of Eric's fevered brain. Seriously, tho...since I have a lot of tube devices here already in the studio, and since the ADDAC p/s can easily handle the upping of the current draw, why the hell not? That point in the signal chain, also, is the exact place I'd want such a device, with all of the characteristic nonlinearities, hysteresis effects, and other mojo coloring the sound.

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Not a bad idea, that...and it opens up another 6hp. For that hole, I'd be inclined to go for something the M32 doesn't exactly have. and if it were my money, and given the music choice here, I think you might find Intellijel's muMod an interesting candidate. Not yr avg ringmod, this thing (it's actually a quadrant multiplier)...capable of a few extra tricks, plus it gives you separate outputs for 'sum' and 'difference', normally used as logical functions but definitely has 'abuse potential' for frequency-shift-type behavior, weird VCA-ish activity, amplitude-modulation strangeness, and so on.

Well, the ultimate space saving could be realized with a 2hp ADSR ... I have one and it works just fine :)

v5#1

Case

• 1x Moog Eurorack Case 104 HP 17"

Power

• 4ms Row Power 30 (white)
• 4ms Power Brick

Hi all, I have recently started down the modular rabbit hole after buying a Mother 32 but have set myself a limit of one 84hp row as I already have other GnCV stuff (MFOS minilab and SH101 etc)
I love the M32 and it’s not going anywhere BUT I’m looking for opinions on building the ultimate 84hp. I currently have Mutable Links, PM foundations micro VCO, Erica Polivoks(ish) ADSR and a Disting Mk3 which has filled my row. The ADSR is useful but at 8hp it seems a bit of a waste of space - what other units could I replace it with? My music varies from bass heavy riffs to whacked out deep space sound and experimental noise/drone. Thoughts please!

I love the style! you could try to put the Sequencers on the upper left and right corner instead of the blind panels. Then the patch cables don't go that far and around your whole rack. What do you plan to use the CV Pal for?
cheers, Dennis

Trying to see how much fun you can purchase with $1000 in one row with each module costing no more than $100 either new, used, or DIY.

Damn I love me a Bermuda.

bought from @0netwo0netwo & as always it was a smooth and successful transaction! :)

Hi Guys,

is it possible to use the pulse out from Shapeshifter to trigger Plonk? i want to use 4ms SMR to pitch Shapeshifter and Shapeshifter triggering Plonk. How do you guys feel about that would it work out?

cheers Dennis

Thank you very much for your wise words, I will read and work on them. The reason I want to work with drums is probably because they catch me the most, and then I start a place with Modular synch. Thank you again, I am very pleased with your post.

// Henrik

Hi,

I have using Lifeforms sv-1 almost a year. Now I'm planning to expand my system with other modules.
I'm totally new regarding modules, so sorry about all stupid questions. I have been reading different forums, but I think that it makes me only more confused. At the moment I'm want to make more techno/ambient stuff, so I'm aiming e.g. making sound textures (if that make any sense). I want to start small, so I can learn different modules first. I have bought too much VST plugins, and I know those about 2%, don't want to do same mistake with hardware. My first plan is buy sequencer, and couple of effect modules, basic stuff (osc,adsr,midi...) I get from SV-1, right?

Would this rack make any sense, in the begin?

All help and tips are welcome :)

No prob...a couple of notes there, tho...

The key piece isn't going to be the sound-producing parts. Actually, the real key here is the sequencer. Make sure that, since you're going to vary the groove you want, that this module has an easy to work 'on the fly' interface, and that whatever you wind up with has settings (or some additional modules) that can suitably 'humanize' the results. I know that quite a few producers who made use of the Roland TR-909 really relied on its 'swing' settings to add some 'slippage' to an otherwise-metronomic pattern. Plus, when you locked it to something that didn't have that feature, you'd get some really excellent flam behavior as the two machines would be a tad out of sync on that particular beat. Adding something that can also add a random change-up to one or two channels of triggers (Ladik has an inexpensive 2-channel probabilistic skipper) will do a lot to add some humanization when you keep the probability settings kind of low so that the skips sound a bit like on the fly change-ups.

Sound-wise, while you'll definitely want some of the 'standards' (808 or 909 kicks, 909 or 606 hats, etc etc), keep in mind that a lot (like...all?) of the classic beatbox sounds and such are done with 'ringing filters' to a great extent. Basically, the sounds are produced with fixed-frequency filters that are set to just a touch under resonance, and then triggered with either an envelope that determines the overall duration of the sound (like a triggered decay or an AD envelope with a sharp attack) or a quick pulse of sound that pops the filter into resonance for an instant.

Since in a modular, though, you don't have to deal with fixed-frequency filters, it's possible to not only trigger the filter however you like, you can also send the same triggers to a CV sequencer, then get a 'melody' of sorts as the sequencer changes the cutoff of the filter. Very 'rototom-ish' sort of behavior (think: opening of Pink Floyd's "Time"). Also, mixing on this sort of a device should be pretty simple; look at MFB's Drum-99 mixer, which is a basic stereo mixer which you can chain to another one, etc, and build up a drum bus where you have relatively fixed levels and pans.

Another great, gnarlier (is that even a word?) sound can be done by sending various colored noise bands thru exponential VCAs and controlling their levels with, again, fast, snappy AD or decay envelopes. This is good for cymbals, snares, and the like. Plus, with noise-based sounds you then have this great ability to sum those and then do a little more filter-sweepy stuff, make 'em sound sort of dubby-trippy.

Loads of possibilities...that's just a few.

Ah, excellent...yeah, I'm a dinosaur, I admit it. I actually DO print hardcopy of various things from time to time, and when doing so I'd noticed that while the spec list prints horizontally (unless you like reading 7pt type) the shopping list is more compact, so docs printed as that format wind up being several pages shorter and easier to manage. The spec sheet always seemed to me to be more like a 'final build spec' instead of something to scribble up while making decisions when not online.

Also, the pricing info isn't that off. For a lot of the 'majors', it seems pretty reliable and for much of the rest, it does a credible job at 'ballpark' figures so that you can work on something of a close approximation of costs from it. Just need to keep poking at reminding users to keep module info updated when they've found new relevant data. That open-sourcing is, after all, what makes MG such an amazing, authoritative asset (and it IS!).

Riff by Monomachine and melody by Dark Energy.

Thanks my friend! :-)

I agree with the OP and disagree with mskala. I've personally deleted a ton of duplicates myself (and continue to do so every single day). This and a merge function for panel alternatives would really help de-clutter the Grid before it becomes unusable.

A 90/180 deg flip would be super useful. To achieve this I make Private modules for my own personal use. Would be great to be able to remove them from the Grid entirely.

I really appreciate your effort in doing this. It's indispensible! Not everyone realizes how important this is, I used to have to do this when I created "pedal boards" in Paint. Sheesh.

MG is far better, especially with the addition of your plugs. Would be up for MIDI connectors as well ... I'll look into this.

I totally missed this :(

I sold to @rklem, good buyer all went smoothly!

I am trying to "streamline" the site from time to time and clean up functions which might have become redundant.

I thought nobody uses the shopping list, because of the spec sheet, which displays quite the same info, except the highly unreliable money column.

The shopping list is still there, but hidden:

Open one of your racks and change the URL in the browser adressbar from

modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/[your Rack Id]
to
modulargrid.net/e/racks/shopping_list/[your Rack Id]

Thank you for good info, but I WILL only have modular! :-)
So I will work on it, but thanks again for info and good links.

Bought a Clouds module from @KLAASKLAR.
Smooth Transaction!

This is my main and only rack.
I update it and re-arrange it, as I try new modules.....once every couple of weeks.
It's mostly for self-generative, aural landscapes, dark atmospheres, and T. Riley-'esque repeating ragas.

No dedicated sequencers or drums. Melodies can be curated by a Key Step or (see below).
If it's beat-driven sounds with drums, I use an Elektron Rytm, and CV controlled by an A4 (sequencing and timing).
This keeps the modular rack smaller, and it's used for specific sculpted sounds.

The ALM S.B.G's are connected to a Strymon TimeLine delay. All the outputs go thru a Big Sky reverb via a rack mixer (Kawai MX-8SR) stereo send/return knob.

No connection to a computer. (except to record sessions)

Hmmm...meh, I'd rather let this do the explaining: https://daccrowell.bandcamp.com/releases

Only part of the explanation, tho...there's a lot more going on, plus more stuff where that came from on the horizon. I just finished (as of 26 Jan 18) slapping together a new one for Magnatune (http://magnatune.com) entitled "West: Nocturnal Music in Five Movements" that oughta be out sometime (I presume) in the next month or so. No driving or operating heavy machinery while listening, I should note...

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Hmmm...where'd this go? Doesn't seem to be there in recent times, and I certainly found it useful as a checklist as well as a way to 'ponder offline' when Internet access wasn't necessarily workable. The spec sheet rundown is still there, but not this other list.

Possibly not with a modular setup? There's some very nice all-in-one-box machines out there right now that might fill the bill at a better cost and with more simplicity. I know that if someone sat down a modular drum setup and a TR-909 side by side in front of me (from experience) that I'd go with the 909 unless the situation required something atypical as far as electronic percussion sounds...and even then, I'd still probably use the 909's trigger-out to fire that particular sound on the modular. Did that a bunch, in fact, and that might be a bit more indicative of what you might consider here as I was always able to come up with solid results.

As far as standalone machines these days, I'm all-in on the DrumBrute, but I should also note that Cyclone Analogic's TT606 and TT78 have my attention because of their sound and feature sets. Going backwards in time, some of the 'less-desirable' Roland boxes come to mind, like the TR-707 and its more collectable sibling, the Latinized TR-727. Even the not-so-classic TR-505 saw some use that tends toward your 'thick, bold' criteria; the Chicago band Big Black (ie: Steve Albini & co) made loads of use of this box on their tracks. You could, in theory, go backwards all the way to 'primitive' beatboxes as long as you had a tight bandpass filter to isolate a single, metric sound and pass that to a click-sync box like Bastl's Klik or Truetone's Time Bandit to lock it up with other devices. Again, that's from experience.

If you do go with a box like the ones above, then a simpler and more capable modular is a pretty easy thing to cook up. Once you get a trigger and/or clock pulse out of a few boxes and have them driving some more 'exotic' synthesized sounds, then things can get nice and complicated, musically, in short order. One you have a pulse of ANY sort, then you can use it for anything one might input a pulse into...sequencer clocks, VCAs, LPGs, filters, what have you. And to me, that's a better use of the modular architecture, to create a more open-ended sound programming environment rather than something that just does a one-trick sort of sonic vocabulary.

Maybe they're frustrated music critics? I know that I certainly qualify a lot of the unimaginative (ab)use of electronics in mainstream pop these days as an 'abortion'...

@rklem ; credible buyer, good transaction!

Sold a 4MS Delay to @Wiles he paid right away, no issues, and was very patient when I misspelled my paypal address (fail lol!) Recommended.

In 2017 I bought modules from @laknroll (MI Rings – 2nd hand, personal pick-up), @strat (AM Brain Seed – 2nd hand, shipping) and @PinPinKula (uO_C – new build, shipping). I'd like to thank and can highly recommend all of them: perfect quality of the modules, fast shipping/pick-up and enjoyable conversation.

Hello, I'm a beginner, and would like to build a good start drum rack up, with thick, bold melodic sound (techno, dance, and dinner music) at a reasonable start price, are there are some suggestions where to start.

The sound of a feverish subway ride.

Still not sure if they are idiots or geniuses. There is at least one guy in Jakarta who thinks that modular users also are the target group for illegal abortion. He puts really a lot effort into letting us know.

ModularGrid now has an IP blocker, so I hope the situation will improve over time..

Interesting how they put an actual phone number on these. Some inventively irresponsible people could get a couple minutes of lulz off of (ab)using that in varying ways.

Not that that's a hint, mind you. Oh, no. I would certainly never advocate such a thing. Don't even think it.

(btw, anyone know what's Bahasa Indonesia for "Is your refrigerator running?"...?)

EDITED Jan 2nd 2018, 03:55

A few things...

It's a bit redundant to have both the Intellijel Audio I/O and muJack in such a tight setup, since having two sets of stereo outs is perhaps a bit of a space-waster. Plus, given that the muJack is designed for direct-wiring to various Intellijel mixers, you might be able to pick up a couple of extra hp by going with a stereo output that's smaller and scrapping the I/O altogether, since the usual audio-in situation with a guitar/synth deals with a mono signal. As for the input stage as well...do you just want the audio, or do you want an envelope follower as well so that the dynamic envelopes from the inputted instrument can do things like control VCAs, filter cutoffs, etc etc etc? If the latter, the Doepfer A-119 is a pretty straighforward solution, and you also get a gate comparator that goes high when the level exceeds a set threshold.

As for effects...I've always thought that, in a modular environment, a straight-up-analog spring reverb is a 'do'. They have interesting nonlinearities (being a mechanical device) that FX algorithms just never quite nail, plus when you overdrive them with a hard attack, you get this great, dubby, metallic 'splat' that just can't be duplicated just right. Also, you might consider a pedal I/O module like Malekko's SND/RTN, as an example, for an easy way to tweeze a stompbox (or any other line-level thingummy) into the rig and add something that might not be quite so modular-able.

BTW, I'm assuming you're using a back-plane power inlet...? Don't see one on the patchpanel...

Thanks! Working to sell a few old analogue synths to afford one of these. The advice is good, important and appreciated.

Bastl Hendrikson also: http://www.bastl-instruments.com/modular/hendrikson/

Erica Synths Black Hole DSP sounds quite good and the overall functionality is good but definitely not great, owing to the limitations of the FV-1 chip. If you're taking MIDI in it sounds like you've got a computer in your setup. Perhaps you could use Valhalla reverb in Ableton or similar...

Befaco makes a good module for introducing external instruments.

Note to moderators - I uploaded this duplicate pedal only because the other instance has a corrupted image and I was unable to replace it with a proper one. Thanks!

Hi All,
Thanks for making this great site.
I just got a Happy Ending kit for Christmas (including the uZeus supply). Here is a quick example of a single VCO starter synth that I'm spec'ing out.
Anyone that knows of any power issues with any of these modules, please comment.

Thanks + Happy New Year
JonB

Sometimes form is equally important as function.

Thanks, we have to fight a lot with spam recently. Problem is, it's not a bot but real people from Indonesia, so they are hard to filter.

Hi,

Whats the best option if you want to install a module upside down to get the jacks in your preferred position? Are there panels available with the markings flipped or is it a DIY job to flip the panel and mark it up manually or to create a stick on overlay.

Cheers, Michael.

I noticed this spam post in the modules section:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-apotik-pasutri

A quick thanks to @arson for selling me a used Disting Mk2. Item is in fine condition and you were good to deal with. Thanks!

Some details my differ from MG stock images, PM me for information.

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PinpinKur(ass)

See below the PayPal case logs and my messages to you TO WHICH YOU NEVER FUCKING REPLIED!
You employed your KGB skills to watch my activity, in proper Balkan style you DO guess, imagine, guess and then imply that if I have a module with rack rash IT MUST be from my own rack... it must have taken you a week to write all that shit to support your case. You had this Yugoslav attitude (similar to your pathetic Mladic, Milosevic) who would rather die than accept the truth- that you WERE wrong! Pathetic really! But hey, 200€ is a load of cash for you! I sympathise with you...really! Enjoy a drink on me!

All these hundreds of Eurorack users who know me also know that I have strugggled to build my own rack, using multi layered ply and some curtain rails, which was finished in Dec the 10th this month (chats and pictures are available if one cares). So, nobody tries to scam you, your English needs adjusting a bit. I was not trying to SELL you anything, I wanted to return to you a defective, unused unit, you have sold me. You WOULD have gotten the same unit back, so if it was that easy to fix why did you have to go to such lengths instead of replying on PayPal and offering to fix it! Look below, you never replied to me in 5 days, then when I escalated to a claim via PayPal fuck knows what you have said to them, a load of bollocks by the look of it!

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14/12/2017 21:38 GMT - PayPal: Buyer escalated this dispute to a claim.
14/12/2017 21:38 GMT - Buyer: I have purchased a DIY Clouds- an Eurorack module built by the seller that does not function as it should. To be more precise the instrument has got two audio inputs that should both take an audio signal and process it further. I have tried the module thoroughly and the Right Input does not work, meaning it does not take the signal in. Also, the data pot on the left hand side is very very wobbly and scratchy, as in noisy when turning. I have been told the unit is new, tested and works correctly but I am afraid it is not the case.I cannot fix the unit myself since it would entail undoing some 7 potentiometers, 2 push buttons and approx. 10 miniature jack sockets in order to remove the front panel. Then I would need to desolder the wobbly pot (which is impossible without damaging the circuit board, due to the fact that it has been soldered to the PCB and has got thick metal legs that have a lot of solder). Further on zi would also need to desolder the Right in jack and replace it, but with the same risks and consequences as with the pot).I would like a full refund to buy this unit from a proper distributor as it looks like your DIY instruments are not made properly.
14/12/2017 21:29 GMT - Buyer: Since you don't even bother to reply, and treat me with indifference, I guess the best thing to do is for me to escalate this to Paypal. No problem.
11/12/2017 12:38 GMT - Buyer: As you contacted me via Modular Grid and asked me to explain to you what this is about, I am replying to you here as well."Hi,After months of getting rails, wood panels, etc. I have finally manage to put up a case together, fitted all my modules in and started patching. However, when I tried to patch Rings or Ogre FM, or DynSync 303VCO into Clouds, the Right input socket of the Clouds you sold me did not get any signal through. As I pulled the jack out I could hear a short noise and tried to plug it in again, no signal going through. The socket must be incorrectly wired/soldered or it is defective. Now, in order to change a socket like that one would need to undo all the pots, sockets, etc. and I am not qualified to do that, plus it looks like the other sockets may be like that or become so after very few plug ins and out, which tells me that they are of very very bad quality. But, what is annoying is that you were supposed to check the Clouds module properly before sending it to me like it is and avoid this.Also, the input gain pot is really wobbly, like us broken AND is very noisy, it makes a scratchy noise when turning it. This is not right, you either used cheap Chinese components from Tayda OR sold me a defective unit! I want my money back, this is annoying! Now, I will need my money back so I can order one built by Mutable Instruments or buy a second hand one, but original since I do not trust DIYers anymore. You must understand that this is not right nor fair for a buyer to put up with, so no hard feelings but the Clouds module is not as described, since it is not working as you implied when you asked for the money for it! Cheers,Dan"
09/12/2017 23:25 GMT - Buyer: Also, the input gain pot is really wobbly AND noisy, it makes a scratchy noise when turning it. This is not right, you either used cheap Chinese components from Tayda OR sold me a defective unit! I want my money back, this is so annoying!
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