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Will never purchase their products, never have.

The sentiment in this particular case seems strong among (some) users. If regulatory measures will not be tried, we probably need to submit to the crowd.

Stipulating a code of conduct for forum and product entries just seem like a reasonable thing to do. There are probably wise ideas among experienced forum users on how to achieve this.

EDITED May 8th 2023, 21:42

Since almost module entries are "crowdsourced" by users, that's not really something that can be regulated. I doubt B will get a manufacturer's account here to control their module entries either. The controversy makes $ales.

Leave the module entry as it is, and discuss the company's ethics, business practices and design theft in the forum comments. Leave it up to people to determine if they want to support Behringer's behavior or not based on what they read and observe.

The best thing to do is NOT give them free advertisement, and support the original small manufacturers with your purchases. I know I will never purchase their products ever again, that's for sure.

If forum users have rules to follow, what requirements should we place on manufacturers posting their products or designs?

Should Behringer clearly state that their design is a copy of an existing product, I wouldn’t mind.

If ModularGrid admins want to play the ethics card, please think again or support manufacturers’ questionable business ethics.

This is a copy not of MN Maths but the original design by Serge:
Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator
Do not know why the B hate on this as his design has been copies numerous times.
https://richsstudioproject.wpcomstaging.com/product/cgs114-dusg/
-- amj666

Show me where Math is a "1:1 panel design up to every control knob" clone of the DUSG.
It's not about reusing an idea or a concept.

It's about cloning stuff 1:1.

Iagine how cool it would be if behringer came up with their own interpretation, probably a 4x DUSG with some specialties like a wave-folder or anything new, literally ANYTHING other than copying a ready to sell module of a small boutique company that probably sells a few hundred of those per year, sending them to china and throw a few thousend for one third opf the price on the market.

If you don't see where the problem is i hope if you should ever start a project by yourself that this doesn't happen to you.

And then people start to cry that Mutable Instruments, a one person company, closed down. lol

in this one video, Skippy and Chord are used to make generative music. With the help of Quadigy, Twin Waves, Tweakers and Aikido.

EDITED May 8th 2023, 15:50

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.
-- gringostar

false equivalence buddy; music is not electronic design.

everyone that does ED knows this; we copy, enhance, modify, borrow, steal, lie and cheat. that's the way the game is played. did it for 40 years. you clearly haven't done any of it. designers get paid, great designers get paid greatly. they got theirs, they don't need people like you to make a conspiracy out of it.

However, if you have to copy music, you really have no talent. music comes from inside. ED you learn by copying every that came before you.

I have more ALM hahah I really like them obviously.. the pip slope is great on the repeat mode

thank you for fixing the page. lock it.

This is a copy not of MN Maths but the original design by Serge:
Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator
Do not know why the B hate on this as his design has been copies numerous times.
https://richsstudioproject.wpcomstaging.com/product/cgs114-dusg/

ABUTTACUS!

Kind of an ALM fetish you've got going on there haha.
I was going to sell one of my PipSlope's but I've just started using it as an LFO on looping mode.

Hi,

first iteration of my rack is ready now, lots of fun to play with (all MI modules except for Beads are clones from Tunefish Modular):

Thinking about what I would like to add in the mid-term I am thinking about this:

• I would like a multi-channel sound-source which I can use for sample playback, drums, natural background soundscapes, here the "Bitbox Micro" comes in.
• With the 8 sound channels added by the Bitbox I would like to add some trigger capabilities beyond the Marbles and think of adding a "Pamela's New Workout".
• I really like the Blades but would like to add one 4-pole filter - thinking of either the "Ripples (2020)" (like the built-in VCA) or the "Shakmat Modular Dual Dagger - Quad Stereo Filter" (very flexible).
• The "ADDAC 601 Fixed Filter Bank" is probably something for the long-term, but if I get a fixed filter bank (which I'd really like) I would like to have voltage control, the envelope followers are a nice bonus.

For the last gaps left, I am thinking of a quad or octa VCA (Doepfer or another Veils) and a small multi-effect unit like the FX AID or Pico DSP.

Any feedback / comments?

Finally think it’s complete just waiting for a third pip slope .. it’s sounding good I think

-CIRCUIT:
manda un canal al pedal griego (que está en la case)
manda midi a SH
-KINEMATIC:
está en la case, mide 28hp (puesto de lado)
-VOZ:
va a pico input-->fx aid--> circuit (para delay) sale por los 2 canales de circuit
-DX (o korg monologue)
-SH:
está fuera de la case
dx manda su audio a sh (aux in) y de aquí sale para-->pico input2--> filtro--> vuelve a entrar a circuit (le damos un poco de reverb) y sale por el canal limpio de circuit

-DFAM
su fx: pico dsp
su triger: o bien ladik o malekko
-Maleko:
podría trigar dfam, lfo para dfm, lfo para el filtro
-kINEMATIC:
si no cabe en la case, por culpa de maleko, se puede poner pico input, debajo de la case (debajo de dfam, p.ej.)

EDITED May 8th 2023, 20:09

I'll make changes as I find deals, otherwise, I'm aiming for this.

Lots of food for thought there. Appreciate the input!

-- FUNKEDub

My pleasure, glad it was of some help! Enjoy the rack, it looks like fun!

What a shame if a company that size can't bring anything to the table but cloning.
Not even one thing added.
This lack of vision and creativity is what Behringer is best known for since their beginnings.

Hire some engineers for gods sake. Everyone can operate a copy machine.

Predatory company ripping off small businesses without adding any value. If you care about the euro community avoid this.

Looking at the picture at the bottom of the article there is an ER301 and 3x Sample Drums hooked up to the Metron. Plus there is an Erica Bass Drum in the top left rack.

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.
-- gringostar

Isn't that what "genres" are? 😉

EDITED May 7th 2023, 10:41

In addition this would be a closer clone of the MK1 Maths which is no longer in production.
Either way a wise investment to go along side my MN Maths. The same way as my Behringer Brains are along side my MI Plaits.
-- Staticcharge

The original Maths did not have OR, SUM, and INV. It only had OR and SUM. It also did not have the UNITY output marked with ∫ as the Behringer module has copied. So no, its actually a clone of the in-production Maths MkII

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.
-- gringostar

It's not about being fine with it or not. It's about keeping opinions off of ModularGrid's product listings. Would you go to the local library and tamper with books you don't agree with? Whether anyone likes a product or not is irrelevant. This is supposed to be a neutral library of Eurorack modules, let's keep it that way. Use the comment section or forum for discussion, not the product pages.

-- Arjan

Which is why I posted that in the comments section?
-- gringostar

But the problem isn't this discussion, the problem is people screwing with the product page. That's what this is about.

1. Bigger case. You're just gonna find yourself limited with 84 hp, no matter how you look at it. Particularly since you can only have 10 modules plugged into this case, regardless of how much hp you can squeeze out of it. The Nifty case has things going for it, no doubt (like the DAW connectivity), but you're just going to get frustrated saying "no" to interesting modules with a case this size when for only a module's amount more you can get something bigger (e.g., Mantis, etc..) that will allow you more flexibility.

I saw the "get more HP" suggestions coming from a mile away

I for financial, space and creative reasons I'm limiting myself to this HP.

2. The Grandmother already comes with a sequencer and arpeggiator, a filter that you can send a signal into, and a few other tricks. Use those and don'y waste space with modules like the 2HP Arp (it's a good module, but not a great use of space). Also, between Plait's natural abilities and the VCF on the Grandmother, the MI Ripples starts to seem unnecessary.

The 2 HP Arp is/will be the first victim of a rejig for this reason.

I am a big fan of the sound of Ripples. I'm also a fan of knobs I can grab, hence the full size MI modules rather than smaller clones.

3. Triggers and LFOs. As you can see, I've done a lot to your rack. Moved your Pams to the left (personal preference) and gave it the expander. Pam's can do a lot of neat tricks (triggers, gates, logic, quantization, stepped/smooth random, limited envelopes, euclidean rhythms, etc.). You don't want to waste its regular outputs on something dull like a steady 1x trigger. Use the expander for that. Next, we have modulation. Your A-147-2 is awesome, but pretty big for that case. So, I went bigger. For 5 hp more, you get Batumi and it's expander, giving you up to 12 LFO outs. Plus it can be cv controlled, self-patched, and has a few neat rhythmic modes that will keep you busy.

I usually have Pam's on the left but had the notion that as its central position lends itself to shorter routing to the mult and attentuators etc.

I'm willing to look at LFO alternatives, but I'm not going to pump it up to 12.

4. Utilities and cv-futzers. More, you need more. Audio manglers sound nice, but the richness and movement and finesse in modular come from the ability to move, attenuate, switch, offset/invert, route, and otherwise f-up a signal, which is what utilities give. First, you have the Happy Nerding 3x MIA. Everybody needs attenuverters, and this is 1 more than the one you had already. Also, the double pots are great to play with. Then the A-130-2, dual VCAs, since you really can't have too many. I like to have VCAs after my LFOs so I can modulate the modulator. Then, the A-182-1, Switched Multiple. This module takes no power and allows you to manually send or mute signals to two different sources. It also acts as a 2 channel multiple. As simple as it is, I've found it essential to my patches. Then uO_C, which gives you access to a whole host of programs to try out, such as quantizers, sequencers, slew, clock dividers, envelopes, simple comparators, vcas, and logic, etc... I prefer it with Hemisphere loaded, but it's amazing either way. A bit menu-divey, but it will give you a sense of what utilities and tools you'll want to dedicate a standalone module to in the future. Then the endorphins.es Airstreamer for ADSR duties (and other things like slew, s/h, etc.). Unfortunately, envelopes were an area I couldn't really help with (aside from uO_C and Airstreamer), as I don't know of good dual (or more) envelope generators that are thin. If you had a few hp more you could go with some interesting options, but you are limited at the moment to 4 hp (see below about Plaits). At the end, I give you another Happy Nerding Module, the 3x VCA, since, you really can't have too many of them, and they work great as an end of chain module. Also, those double pots.

The O/A/x2 is kind of a place holder in terms of attenuvertor, so the Airstreamer and HN 3 x MIA are totally options I'd entertain.

5. Audio. Plaits has got a big footprint, but I always prefer the real MI modules to clones. That said, with MI gone now, a clone like Knits would not be a bad or problematic choice. With Plait's/Knit's onboard abilities, you can do without an additional VCF, hence the removal of Ripples (no offense to a cool module intended). Then Beads. Beads is awesome. Beads stays. Be aware though, it takes some playing around with to get the sounds you want out of it. Once you figure it out though (and if you have enough modulation), it can really do wonders. With 3 hp left, I give you Erica Synths DSP, just a few more effects to play around with.
   -- HGsynth

DSP is going to be done through a mixer FX and/or in a DAW once recorded.

Lots of food for thought there. Appreciate the input!

edit:

Revised rack

EDITED May 7th 2023, 01:29

No idea why the link is showing a weird half-empty rack. Click it and you should go to the real rack. Mods, any idea how to fix?
-- HGsynth

Edit your post and insert the link again?

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.
-- gringostar

It's not about being fine with it or not. It's about keeping opinions off of ModularGrid's product listings. Would you go to the local library and tamper with books you don't agree with? Whether anyone likes a product or not is irrelevant. This is supposed to be a neutral library of Eurorack modules, let's keep it that way. Use the comment section or forum for discussion, not the product pages.

-- Arjan

Which is why I posted that in the comments section?

No idea why the link is showing a weird half-empty rack. Click it and you should go to the real rack. Mods, any idea how to fix?

EDITED May 6th 2023, 15:13

I'm not terribly experienced giving feedback like this, so take this with a grain of salt, but here are my thoughts:

1. Bigger case. You're just gonna find yourself limited with 84 hp, no matter how you look at it. Particularly since you can only have 10 modules plugged into this case, regardless of how much hp you can squeeze out of it. The Nifty case has things going for it, no doubt (like the DAW connectivity), but you're just going to get frustrated saying "no" to interesting modules with a case this size when for only a module's amount more you can get something bigger (e.g., Mantis, etc..) that will allow you more flexibility.

2. The Grandmother already comes with a sequencer and arpeggiator, a filter that you can send a signal into, and a few other tricks. Use those and don'y waste space with modules like the 2HP Arp (it's a good module, but not a great use of space). Also, between Plait's natural abilities and the VCF on the Grandmother, the MI Ripples starts to seem unnecessary.

3. Triggers and LFOs. As you can see, I've done a lot to your rack. Moved your Pams to the left (personal preference) and gave it the expander. Pam's can do a lot of neat tricks (triggers, gates, logic, quantization, stepped/smooth random, limited envelopes, euclidean rhythms, etc.). You don't want to waste its regular outputs on something dull like a steady 1x trigger. Use the expander for that. Next, we have modulation. Your A-147-2 is awesome, but pretty big for that case. So, I went bigger. For 5 hp more, you get Batumi and it's expander, giving you up to 12 LFO outs. Plus it can be cv controlled, self-patched, and has a few neat rhythmic modes that will keep you busy.

4. Utilities and cv-futzers. More, you need more. Audio manglers sound nice, but the richness and movement and finesse in modular come from the ability to move, attenuate, switch, offset/invert, route, and otherwise f-up a signal, which is what utilities give. First, you have the Happy Nerding 3x MIA. Everybody needs attenuverters, and this is 1 more than the one you had already. Also, the double pots are great to play with. Then the A-130-2, dual VCAs, since you really can't have too many. I like to have VCAs after my LFOs so I can modulate the modulator. Then, the A-182-1, Switched Multiple. This module takes no power and allows you to manually send or mute signals to two different sources. It also acts as a 2 channel multiple. As simple as it is, I've found it essential to my patches. Then uO_C, which gives you access to a whole host of programs to try out, such as quantizers, sequencers, slew, clock dividers, envelopes, simple comparators, vcas, and logic, etc... I prefer it with Hemisphere loaded, but it's amazing either way. A bit menu-divey, but it will give you a sense of what utilities and tools you'll want to dedicate a standalone module to in the future. Then the endorphins.es Airstreamer for ADSR duties (and other things like slew, s/h, etc.). Unfortunately, envelopes were an area I couldn't really help with (aside from uO_C and Airstreamer), as I don't know of good dual (or more) envelope generators that are thin. If you had a few hp more you could go with some interesting options, but you are limited at the moment to 4 hp (see below about Plaits). At the end, I give you another Happy Nerding Module, the 3x VCA, since, you really can't have too many of them, and they work great as an end of chain module. Also, those double pots.

5. Audio. Plaits has got a big footprint, but I always prefer the real MI modules to clones. That said, with MI gone now, a clone like Knits would not be a bad or problematic choice. With Plait's/Knit's onboard abilities, you can do without an additional VCF, hence the removal of Ripples (no offense to a cool module intended). Then Beads. Beads is awesome. Beads stays. Be aware though, it takes some playing around with to get the sounds you want out of it. Once you figure it out though (and if you have enough modulation), it can really do wonders. With 3 hp left, I give you Erica Synths DSP, just a few more effects to play around with.

And there you have it. Should let you have a good time with your Grandmother and keep you flexible enough to experiment.

In the final assessment though, I think you have space to have fun, but you'd have a whole lot more fun with a bigger case.

Best of luck!

EDITED May 6th 2023, 15:11

what would I do?

put money towards new (bigger) case & not worry about having to cram something into 2hp...

I Add a Delay pedal (Coolmusic Echolation) and Hologram Microcosm with Tunnel Granule mode.
Just because I need Modules like them on my rack!

It's not about being fine with it or not. It's about keeping opinions off of ModularGrid's product listings. Would you go to the local library and tamper with books you don't agree with? Whether anyone likes a product or not is irrelevant. This is supposed to be a neutral library of Eurorack modules, let's keep it that way. Use the comment section or forum for discussion, not the product pages.

-- Arjan

Well said. These fools will yell "I CARE ABOUT COMMUNITY" while tampering with the database. This is childish and pathetic.

EDITED May 6th 2023, 13:08

It's not about being fine with it or not. It's about keeping opinions off of ModularGrid's product listings. Would you go to the local library and tamper with books you don't agree with? Whether anyone likes a product or not is irrelevant. This is supposed to be a neutral library of Eurorack modules, let's keep it that way. Use the comment section or forum for discussion, not the product pages.

-- Arjan

Completely agree!

Copy of the copy of the copy....and follow the line.
Great ! I buy the quarter price copy !

A new module is about to be released..

My current version has another filter instead of Pam's and an Erica dual ASR that I want to replace with the Intelligel ADSR because I prefer the layout and functionality for the HP ... but for all intents and purposes, close enough to where I'm at.

This is sitting in a Nifty Case giving me my power and some I/O options. Additionally, this sits just above a Moog Grandmother. Technically this is its companion and expander. The intent is to create more complex textures to complement the moog and also create more esoteric sounds, courtesy of Beads.

As you can see, I got 2 HP spare. I'm still pretty damn fresh to this, but I feel this is a respectable and useful setup ... but with 2 HP left, what would you slot in there?

Please correct title and features of the entry. This „opinion piece“ is diminishing the usefullness of modulargrid.
I would add a corrected version myself, but I don‘t want to have anything to do with this ripoff module.

Funniest part about this backlash is that there have been countless "maths ripoffs" already, Maths is a euro copy of the serge DUSG, and continually editing this listing to say some vile shit is the same as editing a politician's wiki entry to say "mr Poopyhead" and just as pointless an exercise. Ban users who do this, it's totally childish and makes the site look bad.
-- dumpsterac1d

I was going to post something like this myself and now I don't have to. Thank you sir.

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.
-- gringostar

It's not about being fine with it or not. It's about keeping opinions off of ModularGrid's product listings. Would you go to the local library and tamper with books you don't agree with? Whether anyone likes a product or not is irrelevant. This is supposed to be a neutral library of Eurorack modules, let's keep it that way. Use the comment section or forum for discussion, not the product pages.

The panel is easier to read and understand than the MN Maths.
-- Jobbey

My impression too.

They only have one of each in stock..be ok 2 different ones?

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/feedback-cp3-mixer-full-diy-kit/

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/
-- Indianabones007

as long as you are happy, yes

-- JimHowell1970

Yeah I’m happy lad now 😊

They only have one of each in stock..be ok 2 different ones?

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/feedback-cp3-mixer-full-diy-kit/

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/
-- Indianabones007

as long as you are happy, yes

-- JimHowell1970

They only have one of each in stock..be ok 2 different ones?

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/feedback-cp3-mixer-full-diy-kit/

https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/

at least learn to spell!!!

I've not got the hang of the quote section lol

- the reason for this is it can easily get really expensive and often an external drum machine makes much more sense... obviously I haven't got much - as I have an external drum machine, an external drum synthesizer (both midi only though - which is a pain) and in rack drums - and at least 3 ways to sequence them!!!

I have the Pulsar 23, which I have not tried yet but should sync up ok using OXI one and Clock in/out, just wanted the Case to have it all so I can take it with me to my jams etc and not have to take everything else, but thats not very often these days.>

>

the fx aids are still digital - the advantage over the mfx is the sheer number of different algorithms that are available - about 200 iirc and Igor doesn't seem to stop adding them... the advantage of getting the fx aid pro 1st is the screen, if you then get another and want to occupy less space - you can opt for one of the smaller ones (depending on how many modulation inputs you want etc) and then rearrange the algos on the pro so that the 1st 32 algos are the same as on the smaller model - this way you can easily work out which algo you are using on the smaller one (which just uses leds to signify the position)

I think the FX pro aid will be plenty to get on with, probably get the MFX later but will have a better look.

I'd grab a couple - they're very useful - and probably soon after a happy nerding 3*MIA (which you'll want for modulation - once you start using the Maths properly - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' - you'll use the middle section of maths whilst patch programming)

I'll get a couple, Playing about tonight, I could use them
I've been watching some tutorials on Maths, starting to get my he round it a bit and started using it, experimenting.

if I were you I'd also grab a passive mult kit - and get your mate to teach you how to solder - it's not that difficult!!! and then build the mixers yourself!!! soldering is a very handy skill to have!

like this one https://www.rakits.co.uk/product/passive-multiple-kit/
it looks ideal. I would love to get back into soldering, done it years ago, sure I could get the hang of it. Watching the video on the mixer and I'm sure I could manage that.

I was looking at filter, probably just leave that the now to have a better look bu the Doepfer wasp one looks good and would be different from Qpas.

after watching some videos on the Wasp, I think I prefer the Ladder type like Instruo, but again, will take my time and check them out. Qpas came today an just checking it out..sounds awesome. Experimenting with Pams and I'm getting some great random stuff happening :)

hahaha... you think I'm saving you money... I'm really just reallocating it!!!

Yep, thats true but more wisely than I was doing before and better for what I need.
Once I pick up my stuff on Wednesday, I'll have my Envelopes and VCA's sorted for time being, that's what I wanted and then just take my time learning. the delay will be handy too.

Learned a lot..great help )

-- JimHowell1970

"Haha I wrote something stupid on Behringer's module page. I'm so proud of myself" ~ some shortbus on ModularGrid, 2023

Grow up you guys.

Thanks again :)

again np

Ok, think I'm getting somewhere now lol

Going to leave percussion for now..(maybe 2nd case lol) and use what I can to create a beat, need to learn that anyway as you say.

- the reason for this is it can easily get really expensive and often an external drum machine makes much more sense... obviously I haven't got much - as I have an external drum machine, an external drum synthesizer (both midi only though - which is a pain) and in rack drums - and at least 3 ways to sequence them!!!

I'll leave the MFX and go with the FX Aid pro just now, pure anologue sounds better to me, it looks great, i was originally planning on just getting the small one and MFX but decide which other one later.

the fx aids are still digital - the advantage over the mfx is the sheer number of different algorithms that are available - about 200 iirc and Igor doesn't seem to stop adding them... the advantage of getting the fx aid pro 1st is the screen, if you then get another and want to occupy less space - you can opt for one of the smaller ones (depending on how many modulation inputs you want etc) and then rearrange the algos on the pro so that the 1st 32 algos are the same as on the smaller model - this way you can easily work out which algo you are using on the smaller one (which just uses leds to signify the position)

Is this the mixer you were thinking of, my pal can put it together for me if needed. https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/

There is also this one and one similar with a mix control..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115758587017?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&customid=Cj0KCQjw0tKiBhC6ARIsAAOXutkoRF6OtlkVlL1gTITAwquPMOghldwNj8m6EudM2p5QBFq_sbg_1LIaAgUTEALw_wcB

yes either of those would work perfectly - the feedback module should also be available DIY (probably from their website)

I'd grab a couple - they're very useful - and probably soon after a happy nerding 3*MIA (which you'll want for modulation - once you start using the Maths properly - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' - you'll use the middle section of maths whilst patch programming)

if I were you I'd also grab a passive mult kit - and get your mate to teach you how to solder - it's not that difficult!!! and then build the mixers yourself!!! soldering is a very handy skill to have!

I was looking at filter, probably just leave that the now to have a better look bu the Doepfer wasp one looks good and would be different from Qpas.

I've got the WASP and the SEM and a ladder filter from Doepfer - amongst others - but really for the money they're pretty decent

if you're going to get a WASP - be aware that the ICs have a habit of blowing up - not a problem as they're inexpensive and don't need soldering... get your mate to add a few to an order if he's buying from a big supplier...

Thanks for your help and saving me money lol

:)

hahaha... you think I'm saving you money... I'm really just reallocating it!!!

Behringer is stealing someone elses design, changing 1 or 2 minor things, and then passing it off as their own. Now, substitute "design" for "music" in that last sentence and ask yourself if you're still fine with it.

Thanks a lot Jim, this is a big help.

NP

I wasn't thinking that the MFX was to be used a s a filter, I though it was an effect for reverb, echo etc. I see it also does auto panning and phasing etc. So it can be used as a transient shaper, so I take it this is more the filtering side of it?

My mistake - I've only got Pams from alm and confused it with a filter - it was late!!! in that case you will probably find you want at least one more filter, at some point...

The peaks clone looks amazing, that's ideal. Looking at the After Late Audio ones. I watched a video on it and the guy was using branches to get a nice kick and snare, would this be a good option for some percussion, just would like something in there to get a beat. I was planning on the Coral as it has so many voice and would work well with the OXI one sequencer I have, drums, chords etc.

I often use my peaks for percussion - but I have a lot more modulation options - and I'd recommend using it for modulation...

you can create a 'beat' by feeding noise (or any other audio source for that matter) into a vca and opening the vca with a trigger from Pams or Maths - I would not worry about this initially though - I would concentrate on learning to patch and getting to know whatever the first batch of modules you buy inside out

I'm really stuck on the mixer side of things, can you recommend a couple that would be good for the CsL utputs as you mentioned. I'll leave the matrix mixer until I find and learn more about them.

any basic mono mixer will do - a lot of people like moog cp3 clones - AISynthesis harmonic mixer for example - as it has some gain - so adds some nice harmonics - or a happy nerding 3*mia, or a mutable shades clone - you will probably find you want multiples of these types of module! you'll probably want an end of chain mixer with send and return at some point in the future... I like the tesseract modular tex-mix (as it's inexpensive, expandable and available as diy) for this purpose

So if I was thinking the MFX was going to be my reverb/delay and you recommend delay and reverb, what other modules would you be thinking, something like the FX Aid?

I'm not sure of the algorithms on the MFX - personally I'd go for a couple of fx aids - at least one of them the pro (so you can see what you are doing easily) - imo it's better to have at least 2 effects units - 1 for delay and another for reverb - some will offer delay into reverb, but that's not necessarily what you'll want to patch - maybe you'll want to have vco into reverb into filter

Case No. 2 , lol, was hoping not to go down that route but I think its inevitable lol.

yes, says he with 8 cases...

I'm planning on going in next wednesday to my shop and picking up the Peaks Clone, ALM Tangled Qaurtet and MFX, if you can give me some advice on the reverb delay and mixer I could maybe them as well and then that would do me till I get my head round the rest lol

-- JimHowell1970

Thanks again :)

Ok, think I'm getting somewhere now lol

Going to leave percussion for now..(maybe 2nd case lol) and use what I can to create a beat, need to learn that anyway as you say.

I'll leave the MFX and go with the FX Aid pro just now, pure anologue sounds better to me, it looks great, i was originally planning on just getting the small one and MFX but decide which other one later.

Is this the mixer you were thinking of, my pal can put it together for me if needed. https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/

There is also this one and one similar with a mix control..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115758587017?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&customid=Cj0KCQjw0tKiBhC6ARIsAAOXutkoRF6OtlkVlL1gTITAwquPMOghldwNj8m6EudM2p5QBFq_sbg_1LIaAgUTEALw_wcB

I was looking at filter, probably just leave that the now to have a better look bu the Doepfer wasp one looks good and would be different from Qpas.

Thanks for your help and saving me money lol

:)

Don’t worry, I won’t buy it. I save my bucks for Marilyn’s NEW Rehearsal.
-- Sweelinck

Lol!