kinda wondering what happened to @Fruarse . did he stop caring? ... ...
-- singular_sound
Yep
I can't believe I have to write this...
One is a thought experiment. It deals with imaginary, impossible to replicate scenarios, and it serves to prove a point of view by means of articulating an argument. Also, who says you couldn't build a real world chinese room scenario? But that's not the point.
In the other case, simply because an algorithm claims to "mimic neurons" doesn't mean that a piece of silicon, however complex it might be, however complex the predetermined amount of electricity running through it is, programmed according to our incomplete understanding of how a neuron works makes it comparable to an actual neuron.
Sure, it might work, but simply because it does in one instance it doesn't mean it can be generalized to everything. It working for YOU once or twice or x times for YOUR problems does not make it an universal solution.
One is continuous, one is discrete. One is mathematical proof, one is commercial branding. One is a living organism, the other is baked sand ffs.
No arguments here, I am sharing my point of view like you are sharing yours, maybe with a bit more awareness of what it is you are shouting about. We are following through a discussions, just like you intended, but if you are not willing to accept what others are saying to you, a different point of view backed by reason and arguments, what's the point?
Claude 3.7 does 'work', regardless of how 'identical it is' to human grey matter, and there is a philosophy called the patternist perspective that makes this whole argument irrelevant.
-- singular_sound
Again, a broken clock is right twice a day. It's the equivalent of saying that flooding my apartment is a valid strategy to clean the coffee stain off my floor because it "works"
i am not going to aim suborbital ion cannons at the admins until they listen to all my suggestions, im just pointing out that with all the push toward democratizing advanced ai technologies, all of these things are becoming more and more affordable, with more and more of the tasks, such as verifying that patch points detected by algorithms in the image data are true patch points, ... are becoming things you 'can' delegate to the now becoming increasingly more inexpensive reasoning models.
-- singular_sound
Nobody is implying you are "aiming subortital ion cannons at the admins" (even though I have to admit the first things that comes to mind is some sort of twisted technofetishism). Democratization of technology is one thing, useless abuse is another. I think it's about time to start understanding the differences without throwing around fancy words without thinking for once of the consequences.
If you really want "AI", big tech most likely scraped this website to death. Nobody is stopping you to open your beloved Claude 3.7 on a different browser window and go wild.
Edit in response to your edit.
It is well known that Modulargrid is not optimized for mobile devices, but that is another can of worms that AI surely won't fix.
You are entitled to your opinion @Fruarse , but can you not agree that if ai at least detected patch points on the module graphics, you could implement an interface that would create a much more seamless experience in posting patch configurations?
-- singular_sound
I know I'm entitled to my opinion, otherwise why would I bother writing it down?
Also, what you understand as patch points on a module is nothing but an array of pixels to a digital computer. An algorithm by definition "does not know" like you and I do. Sure, you can maybe train a model to detect them on a manufacturer's basis, assuming all inputs and outputs share the same graphical properties... But it would still need to be supervised, which defeats the whole purpose.
But what happens when some panels have very fine details that are lost in the image upload? You need the resolution to resolve them in order for the training to be somewhat effective. What about different manufacturers, that maybe apply the same logic for input and output, but in reverse?
And, at the end of the day, is all this worth it just because you can't be bothered with spending that extra 0,5 seconds dragging the patch cable to the appropriate patch point?
I fundamentally disagree with the Chinese Room theoretical premise. I personally believe it is not even possible to create such a room without somehow also in some sense copying the relevant structure from a human brain, thereby implying that 'the room understands Chinese'.
-- singular_sound
If you believe a piece of silicon with some electricity running through it executing a predetermined set of instruction that can be reduced to the manipulation of digits is somehow/somewhat comparable to human intelligence... I warmly suggest you do your homework ;)
I just think a certain usefulness threshold has been crossed, and would personally rather get an instant reply from Claude 3.7, than a reply 2 days later, from, say, @zacksname .
-- singular_sound
You are assuming the computer programme to provide you with an accurate answer. Sure, maybe a real person's answer also wouldn't be, but at least a human "knows" what it is talking about and not just regurgitating words without knowing what they mean.
If perhaps only the Haiku model was used, all accounts were limited to one use per day or week, and the right kind of data sharing toward mutual advancement deal could be struck, this could likely be implemented nearly free with very little impact. Etcetera.
-- singular_sound
Who's going to pay for the training, hosting, electricity bills, deployment and upkeep costs? You?
I do not think it is possible to convince everyone to love our new AI overlords.
-- singular_sound
And rightfully so, your can keep your so called "AI overlords" to yourself ;)
TBH I feel that other than some UX improvements when it comes to module navigation, selection, and rearrangement in the case, modulargrid does everything it needs to do, and 99% of it for free.
On another note, personally I am exhausted by this unfounded need to throw "AI" at everything. Not only is it not sustainable, both in terms of environment and business (it for sure won't be for free), but also completely removes the human connection with other people and listening to different suggestions. It's just unfathomably sad, boring, unnecessary.
On an extra side note, there is nothing intelligent, nor technologically revolutionary about "AI", it's just the greatest marketing naming of the century. Look up the Chinese Room Experiment by John Searle.
Wow, crazy low price
-- fuzboxzno r&d costs + piss poor build quality = low cost
I mean, look at the demo video, the pots are as wobbly as pots come
-- FruarseThey're fine, have you ever played Buchla 200e modules? Some are astronomical in price, like 3k+ euro and more. I have, all of their knobs wobble. In fact, they are the same exact knobs Behringer uses and some wobble even more. Interestingly, they are the last things to fail in those systems. My Buchla Easel Command has these and they wobble way more than those on my Behringer Abacus.
-- Hutch979
It's your experience against what we are seeing in a video. Also, wether you find wobbly pots a non-issue it's up to you. Personally I have only seen Ciani's Buchla system up close, and never touched one, but if I were to buy one and got wobbly pots, I would be even more inclined to get a replacement, given the price. I find much more reasurring and indicative of good craftsmanship and quality sturdy pots and knobs found in Doepfer's and Frap Tools' modules, for example. But again, it's my opinion.
What is concerning to me (but has been said countless of times at this point) is how a giant like Behringer undercuts everyone by using open source designs and exploiting its production capabilities and distribution chains. This applies to mutable stuff, but in the case of your abacus —although buchla inspired— one needs to be completely blind to see how it is not a straight ripoff of maths. The panel interface is the same, the name is clearly a taunt (maths, abacus, come on...). And maths is still available.
Behringer operates well within legal rights. But if in the future manufacturers like Make Noise (whose cash cow is Maths) or other open source driven projects a la Mutable Instruments start disappearing, well, it's because of folks who support giant corporations with this kind of business practice.
My 2 cents, and have fun with your abacus.
Wow, crazy low price
-- fuzboxz
no r&d costs + piss poor build quality = low cost
I mean, look at the demo video, the pots are as wobbly as pots come
I guess it has more to do with constantly notifying users who have a specific module in a watch list, rather than putting one's own ad above others in the list.
Yep, the used market is THAT dead.
