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@flaminggarlic, thanks for sharing this, this is very interesting and not something I had previously considered.

Btw I can read your post but do not see the patch. The post is description enough for me to have an idea of what you're doing.

I have to ask, why use the method above vs more conventional sequencing or other combined CV (like multiple lfos mixed) driving the quantizer?

IMO the technique above has the advantage of temporal quantizing / grid "snap". In other words, this makes it easy to get pitch values exactly when you want them. But maybe it is harder to get a certain pitch or pitch pattern when you want? I'm trying to think through what might be the pros and cons of this technique versus others.

Again, very interesting, thanks for posting!

I just checked the DFAM power draw and I suspect very strongly the answer is related to it

DFAM draws 230mA on the +12v and nothing on any other rail - so in order to use the DFAM PSU for eurorack modules you'd need something that can convert +12v to +/-12v and maybe +5v - in other words an eurorack power supply

Hi ModLifeCrisis,

Just today I was wondering that I haven't heard much from you when you came with this new great track, yes! :-)

Oh-oh-ooohhh, this moment where that fantastic sound kicks in around 4:38 is just gorgeous! And a bit later in the 5 minutes I guess that just very small loop/sequence kind of thing that's running on the background is a small detail yet so lovely to listen at!

At 8:30+ your question about getting more SQ-1's... well if you like it that much, why not? On the other hand... isn't that a slightly bit pity? You know already what you are going to get, since you have already the SQ-1... how about a Five-12 Vector sequencer, directly get it with the Jack expander, for you? That might be just the nice tool for you?! :-)

Oh lovely ending of this track, so entirely relaxed and satisfied now... this is how every day should end! With this lovely end I am going to take a couple of hours of sleep :-D Thank you very much for taking me onto this sonic adventure/journey and kind regards, Garfield.

P.S.: I agree with your perfect CV controller, us, ourselves, our both hands and that possible bit of grey stuff between our ears ;-) I love to turn myself the knobs as well, so much more direct control, and indeed we all should have at least 8 arms and hands so we can do more manual control of our modular synths! ;-)

Actually, Ableton is probably your best bet here. Not only does it deal well with really insane production demands, Ableton also has CV Tools...its own built-in version of Volta/Silent Way. So if you've got the right interface module, it's a snap to send your CV/gate/trig/clock out one side and the modular audio back on the other.

However, while typing this up, I had one of those flashes...and checked the VCV Library pages. Sure enough, VCV now either has, or has paid access to, modules that will allow you to build up a DAW to your own specs. Definitely more fiddly than Ableton, but if you're willing to put the work in to build up a "DAW template" of a sort, this would ALSO be a viable possibility and could be made to be even more of a bespoke solution.

Hi Sunchylde,

Welcome back, long time haven't heard from you! :-)

He, he, interesting video, looks like you have some video-head issues too ;-)

This is a nice and enjoyable long track, good work! Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi ModLifeCrisis,

You are welcome :-)

I am most likely going to update this review report, I found a few typos and small missing information details as well as I received feedback from a reader that there might be actually an easy to archive subfunction that I want to check/test before updating it in a possible updated review report.

So there might be coming in the next few weeks an updated review report for the STO. Kind regards, Garfield.

I wouldn't take the DFAM apart. For one thing, an empty 60 hp Moog skiff is only $89, then all you'd need is something that uses flying busses for your power and distro, such as an uZeus. Even better, the 104 hp version of the same skiff goes for a mere $10 more. Also, watch your module depths here...you only have an actual 48-ish mm to work with, even though the skiff seems deeper due to its angled construction.

+1 on Jim's idea here...not only does this more easily take care of the "other/unknown" issues, it also lets incoming manufacturers know better about what info MG and its users require.

So today my new laptop arrived and I am looking for a good DAW to use instead of Ableton or Cubase for recording direct from modular to PC. Figure it would be great to get serious about recording stuff for later use in music to audio files.

Thank you for listening!

Hi, I've been thinking recently that I need more CV control. One contender is the Planar 2 from Intellijel. I'm also interested in the Make Noise 0-Ctrl. Both of these would add a fair bit of movement to my patches I think. However, while ruminating on this topic it suddenly occurred to me that I already have the perfect CV controller...

Hi ModLifeCrisis,

I just uploaded the STO review report, available here:

https://garfieldmodular.net/index.php/make-noise/make-noise-sto/

Thank you very much for reading it and kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

Hey Garfield. Thanks for letting me know. I just downloaded it. Wow, that's a really in-depth review. I've read your overview and agree with your opinion about the STO. I don't have one, but it would be a good VCO to have. Just wish I had the space. One day, I will obviously have to get a bigger case. Thanks again. Regards, MLC

I like it :)

High it's been a while :)

Thanks for the info! yeah, thonk has only davies, rogans and so on. i'm looking mostly for 6mm d-shape, like these: https://www.electro-smith.com/parts/noise-engineering-knob , but in europe.
i didn't know about banzai, their stuff looks great and is giving me new ideas :)

UK :
https://www.thonk.co.uk/product-category/parts/knobs/

Germany :
https://www.banzaimusic.com/Knobs/

might help if you added what type of pots you want to put them on - 6mm, 6.35mm, d shaft or t-18 for example

have you tried banzai?

Hi there,
does anybody know a shop where to get Noise Engineering Knobs in Europe?
Only Shop i found was 'Electro Smith' overseas ...
thanks+cheers, george

Thanks @jingo and @troux!

This patch illustrates the method I use for additive sequencing using the Metron expander Axxent along with a quad channel mixer and a quantizer to sequence 2 modules with related patterns from one source.
Using the Axxent expander I can set gates high per step on the Metron and these will stay high until they reach a step with no gate where they will immediately fall low. By combining 4 channels of these into a mixer I get a potential pool of notes that includes 16 possible values, (2^4 combinations of on or off). These go into the mixer and each voltage is converted from a 10V gate signal down to a usable voltage to represent a pitch interval (so 1V would make a 1 octave interval). It's quite difficult to tune these intervals precisely by ear, and it would be tedious to try, so the next stage is a quantizer where we tune our combined attenuated signals into a constraint like a scale or a chord. From there I the output to a buffered mult on Spaghetti, with one out going into channel 1 of time warp to create gated slides and then off to my lead line in Atlantis. Buff out two goes into a sample and hold where I am able to take a snapshot of whatever note is currently playing on the lead line and this is sent off the Domino to play a Bassline. The Bass line stays the same until I snap another picture of the Lead line with the S&H. I made the S&H take its trigger from the same metron channel that sends the trigger to the S&H which should not be the case, I will attempt to edit that, I want to be able to trigger the Bassline multiple times without it necessarily needing to take a new note value each time, so those should be on two channels of Metron, not one.

@Lugia & Moderators if you see this

would it be possible instead of only adding manufacturers when they request it to also allow the addition of Manufacturers when requested by a user - a minimum amount of vetting would be required - probably a mod would have to verify the manufacturer - but this is not that difficult - send the manufacturer an email and get a reply

and it can even be a pro forma request - possibly automated

"Hi Manufacturer,

We have been requested to add you as a manufacturer on our site by a user, this will mean that people searching for your modules
will find it a bit easier to find them, as you will no longer be in the 'other/unknown' category. This may mean more demand for you modules. Please let us know if you are ok with this. Our policy is to not do this without your specific consent.

If you do choose to do this could you please make sure that the power consumption stats for your modules are as correct as possible.

best regards and thanks in advance

ModularGrid.net Moderator"

EDITED Apr 20th 2021, 10:30

The structure 344 uses size M3 6mm screws.

Hi, I've been trying out the Eloquencer at different heights in my rack for convenience (the rack is at standing height), and have come to the conclusion that where I'd really want it is sitting horizontally in a separate desktop skiff.
I've got a DFAM right there where I would want it, and was wondering if it's technically possible for them to swap enclosures.
I'm aware the DFAM's guts are not a simple Eurorack ribbon, but is there any way to make it compatible? I mean a simple enough way to be worth it.

EDITED Apr 20th 2021, 07:10

Not how it works. While MG's info is very much user-sourced, adding manufacturers is something that manufacturers have to request themselves. And the reason for this is because if THAT were user-sourced, there would be nothing to stop spammers and other related jackasses from adding fake manufacturers or some such bullshit listings because...well, this IS the Internet, you know. The mods here have enough to deal with in keeping that off of the forums (and yes, there have been some HIDEOUS spam attacks there over the past few years, all thwarted by MG's excellent crew) and maintaining this amazingly-huge database already.

-- Lugia

I just contacted Dannysound about this, too. Thanks

Umm, maybe you ask Dannysound to register as manufacturer at MG?
-- wiggler55550

I already asked ModularGrid, because that's what we're supposed to do as users.
-- sibilant

Not how it works. While MG's info is very much user-sourced, adding manufacturers is something that manufacturers have to request themselves. And the reason for this is because if THAT were user-sourced, there would be nothing to stop spammers and other related jackasses from adding fake manufacturers or some such bullshit listings because...well, this IS the Internet, you know. The mods here have enough to deal with in keeping that off of the forums (and yes, there have been some HIDEOUS spam attacks there over the past few years, all thwarted by MG's excellent crew) and maintaining this amazingly-huge database already.

All well and good, but I think you'll find that if you remove the Neutron from the cab (especially since the Neutron already HAS a cab and power!), you'll get closer to a better result because you won't be trying to build around that "lump" that, tbh, shouldn't be in the Eurorack case to start with. It's an expensive luxury to do that, because it adds the cost of the occupied rack spaces to your Neutron. Very impractical.

Also, with that Neutron in there robbing space, you'll miss out on some of the better noise modules out right now...for example, have a look at the various sonic atrocities made by Schlappi Engineering. They're right up your alley...but as a rule, they're sizable as well, so if you want to implement some of them, you WILL need the extra space.

The case is going to be an immediate problem. While you could build something in 3U x 104 hp that would fulfill the basic needs here, you'll wind up with compromises due to the lack of space. The Maths, for example, takes up about 1/5th of the panel space...and when you have loads more to put in to result in a usable synth, that 20 hp chunk will probably wind up being a stumbling block.

Instead of this (assuming that the single 104 skiff is the "updated setup"), have a look at some cases that fix this problem. The Tiptop Mantis comes to mind right off, as does Intellijel's 7U x 104 case. Or if you want something beefier, see here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/CaseFromLake?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=687830767 and compare their prices vs. other similar cabs. I like what I see with them, plus I've not heard Complaint #1 about their work, and for what they're making, the prices are STOOPID-cheap!

Also, it's important to remember to do your initial MG builds with a "case" that's MUCH larger than you think you'll need...because, invariably, you'll think you need a smaller case than you actually DO. Work out a build that seems right, THEN pare it back to an available-to-buy size. Once you get this part sorted, THEN it'll be time to start examining possible builds.

Re: Scales + Vector -- "you can generate psuedorandom contrapuntal patterns from keying the extra quantizer." Yes, I've been thinking about interesting use cases for the Quantizer + Sequencer configuration. Auto / pseudorandom counterpoint is a very interesting possibility. What I've NOT yet got a bead on is how I might constrain motion in the counterpoint line; let's say for example, I want my counterpoint to be about 45% contrary motion, 20% oblique, 20% similar stepwise, 10% other (e.g. parallel or similar motion by leaps). I DON'T have a good idea of how to implement such a "contrapuntal motion constraint" in modular, other than i) manually programming in the sequences (boring and not fundamentally different than using keyboard / mouse) or ii) manually setting the "shapes" for the contrapuntal lines (such as ramp up for voice 1 and ramp down at .5x rate for voice 2) while letting other factors be psuedorandom. Any ideas for a control scheme in modular that "opts in" desired (contrary + oblique) motion while limiting undesired (parallel and similar by leap) motion? My early sense is it would require a chain with slope detection (rising / falling) or difference detection (greater / lesser) plus some logic to do "not" and "or" functions BUT I can't really imagine the modules needed for implementation, or how to get them to work instantaneously (e.g. without being ruined by lag) to drive a 2nd derived (and semi-constrained) line from a primary voice.
-- nickgreenberg

Well, the "instantaneous" part is easy enough once it's all patched up. And you're on the right track with the use of discriminators and logic to get the desired stochastic result.

Let's say for a minute that you've added a few Ladik modules here...a Min/Max discriminator (U-040), a Median discriminator (U-041), and their Derivator (J-110). Right there, you've got 12 hp that can...

1) Read incoming CVs for minimum and maximum values, then output those.
2) Read incoming CVs and then derive an average.
3) Read incoming CVs, then output a gate depending on the CV's action.

So far, so good. Now, we need some arithmetical processing. Shakmat has this little 2 hp thing, the SumDif, which does CV addition and subtraction. So, feed one "side" of that with one of your derived CVs, then the other "side" with some DC offsets sent from something like Michigan's F8R...which also has enough CV offset sliders to allow you to use some more as manual CV inputs to the other modules.

So, this results in a bunch of derived CVs with a degree of manual control. Then, you need switching...

Now, for THIS part...we have a key module that really opens all of this up to the sort of control you want, and that's Mutable's Branches...a dual A-B "switch" that changes depending on controlled stochastic parameters. With this, you can then use CV values to change routings, mute CV lanes, etc etc.

Now, the other side of the equation here is the pulse aspects...the "on/offs" needed. For starters, you want a WINDOW comparator. There's a difference in that a normal comparator will output a gate when an inputted signal rises above a given threshold. All well and good, but you want the window comparator because it's got several possible outputs from that single inputted signal. So you can set one of these up to output a gate for "under" the lowest threshold, "between" for when the CV value is between the upper and lower thresholds (the "window"), and "above" the top threshold. Input a sine wave, and you get a repeating pattern of gates. But input something that's got more randomness, and you'll get some elaborate gate patterning...potentially nonrepeating, if you prod the LFO in use toward that.

And then, this is where Logic enters the fray.

Once you've got all of these various derived CV and gate behaviors going, you can then use the modules in this that output gates to activate some Boolean gates by letting the gates "interfere" with each other via the Boolean logic. If you want long, sustained gates, then use some OR gates which will output a gate if both inputs are hot. Shorter? Try some NOR logic, which outputs when no gate signals are present, or AND, which outputs gates only when both Boolean gate inputs are hot. This can be as simple or as elaborate as you like...and believe me, it can be DAMNED elaborate! But by using those gates to activate some other switches, plus recombining those results with MORE logic, you can arrive at a result that can seem almost as if there's human input going on. It all depends on how crazy you make a control subsystem of this sort.

In the long run Im going to either have 2x intel 7u 104hp cases or a 15u 104hp case from Case From Lake possibly along with the intel 7u 104hp case that I already own. Im kind of on the fence here since the two intel cases would cost about the same as the CFL but are portable and shiny :)
-- adroc

Go with the CFL cab. While the Intellijel 7U cabs are metal, I do have to wonder if they can take a really hard hit if you're out gigging and they get smacked. The CFL cabs, however, are 1/2" (and then a bit more...15mm thickness) plywood, and you'd have to really work at it to wreck something like that. Sure, you can probably destroy one...but then, whatever would mess up a heavy wood cab would probably turn the 7U into mangled wreckage.

The other nice thing about CFL is that you CAN have them alter the base designs...so you could even have separate tile rows for Intellijel AND the original Pulplogic format modules if you wanted. Or you could go with a wider panel, or beefier power, or...well, you get the idea, plus these alterations are really nicely-priced...adding a tile row for EUR 45-? Yes, please!!!

the pittsburgh modular structure cases are ok but I know nothing about the quality of their power solutions
-- JimHowell1970

From what I know, they're actually Monorocket designs, and Monorocket was always keen on overspecced Meanwells. Pitt is obviously continuing in that vein. Lots of no-screwing-around design in evidence; for example, check https://pittsburghmodular.com/structure and have a look at the 344...and take note of the THICC bus wiring in use to send DC to the upper distros.

More spendy, to be sure...but they're majorly overbuilt, overspecced on current ratings, and so on. You get what you pay for there.

Back to Basics, always a good approach

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hello, I hope you can see the setup I have here. I posted earlier today but dont think it had my updated setup.
Im looking for advice on putting together a small setup I can connect to my keyboard to add spacey melodic sounds.
Im not sure what equipment to put in the case to make sure I have all the audio connections I would need for keyboard, headphone, and computer.
I also would like to know if Im missing some major components that I should add or replace in the case.

@Lugia, thanks for the ideas above!

Great to hear "there's not much in the way of issues here." Your recommendations to swap in 3xVCA and/or 2hp VCAs I will keep in mind going forward.

Re: Scales + Vector -- "you can generate psuedorandom contrapuntal patterns from keying the extra quantizer." Yes, I've been thinking about interesting use cases for the Quantizer + Sequencer configuration. Auto / pseudorandom counterpoint is a very interesting possibility. What I've NOT yet got a bead on is how I might constrain motion in the counterpoint line; let's say for example, I want my counterpoint to be about 45% contrary motion, 20% oblique, 20% similar stepwise, 10% other (e.g. parallel or similar motion by leaps). I DON'T have a good idea of how to implement such a "contrapuntal motion constraint" in modular, other than i) manually programming in the sequences (boring and not fundamentally different than using keyboard / mouse) or ii) manually setting the "shapes" for the contrapuntal lines (such as ramp up for voice 1 and ramp down at .5x rate for voice 2) while letting other factors be psuedorandom. Any ideas for a control scheme in modular that "opts in" desired (contrary + oblique) motion while limiting undesired (parallel and similar by leap) motion? My early sense is it would require a chain with slope detection (rising / falling) or difference detection (greater / lesser) plus some logic to do "not" and "or" functions BUT I can't really imagine the modules needed for implementation, or how to get them to work instantaneously (e.g. without being ruined by lag) to drive a 2nd derived (and semi-constrained) line from a primary voice.

BTW we've again arrived at a "control scheme" discussion. Maybe we port the discussion over to this larger thread I made on topic: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/9906

More broadly ... I will do a little dance! February = modular newbie, April = solid working mid-size rack (above). A lot of online research, patching, and friendly advice from MG forum have helped me cover a lot of ground fast. Thanks all!!!!

EDITED Apr 19th 2021, 20:04

ok I think it's more about how you would use more modulation and utilities though

to be honest probably just utilities would do - expand the capabilities of the modulation you already have - go and take a look at the doepfer catalogue - look for anything that does not produce sound or process sound and read the manual - it's a page or less generally - think about how you might use that module in your rack - then work out which ones you are interested in and look for alternatives - work out which one you want to play with and get that

maybe I'd add either zadar or batumi but only a maybe... but only after I'd tried the above

Okay, ty for all the help again :). The Mantis seems to fit the bill more. The Ic9 is a bit low on power for the modules i want.

What additional modulation and utilities do you recommend? In the long run Im going to either have 2x intel 7u 104hp cases or a 15u 104hp case from Case From Lake possibly along with the intel 7u 104hp case that I already own. Im kind of on the fence here since the two intel cases would cost about the same as the CFL but are portable and shiny :)

what are you trying to do?
what sort of music?
how will you control this?
how will you listen to this?
how much is your budget? start up and long term
do you think you are missing something - is this just a "I have no clue and threw these in here and I am lost post"?
or is it just a hunch that you have missed something and you can't spot it?
have you bought any of this yet?
what other equipment do you have? that you want/need to interface with this?

I wrote this and then clicked on the rack to see if I could offer any immediate advice based on the actual modules in the rack - and the link does not match - please look for @Lugia's description of how to fix this - it's in the top few posts somewhere - I think you just have to refresh and save the correct page so that the in screenshot is updated

EDITED Apr 19th 2021, 17:14

the 2 I particularly like that you can buy are doepfer lc9 and tiptop mantis

both are mid priced
both are a decent size
both have decent power - good enough for video - so at audio rates very quiet
if you want a more power hungry modules get the mantis
if you want a lot of lower powered modules get the lc9

the pittsburgh modular structure cases are ok but I know nothing about the quality of their power solutions - they are 'reasonably' priced and people like them - they use different sized screws iirc than the usual m3 - iirc they are 40-4(? a us size) and there are no knurlies, if this makes a difference

choose the case around the modules

Thank you Jim for this great piece of Advice.
I will just put disting in next and after that some sort of vc mixer or cascaded vca like the a-135-2.

All the Best and many thanks to all of you guys.

I'm in agreement with @Lugia here

more modulation and more utilities needed

as Lugia said one way is to create more space by taking (imo) the top row from metopolix up to and including data plus the m303 possibly more, into a separate case - 104hp would be nice wouldn't it - too match the other cases but I wouldn't bother with a 1u row - they are imo too expensive for what they are

the other alternative is to strip out all the modulation and utilities and then work out what you really need to support what you have and is it possible to fit that it - it's quite likely that you either end up back at the extra case or having to remove a voice (simultaneously creating space for more modulation and utilities and slightly reducing the need for them)

i have been looking into prices on different cases and atm, i am leaning towards Pittsburgh Modular Structure EP series. The doepfer lc9 also looks very good. I really like how it seems to be stackable.

EDITED Apr 19th 2021, 16:55

it's an interesting concept...

regarding starting very small, I wouldn't personally, at least regarding case

by the time you have an es9 in the rack you have taken quite a lot of space already and when you add some decent modulation sources, some performance controllers and the utilities that you need/want to support all this - you will be around the same as a regular starter case - 84-104hp/6u - possibly with a little room for expansion

small cases are relatively expensive - especially ones with 1u rows - so unless you are smitten by their cuteness, as so many are I would forgo these - also you pay a lot for power and any utilities/functions that are often encouraging you to buy specific modules to get them to work - which there is nothing wrong with but particularly in this case you are not looking to use midi or audio i/o from the case

aim to buy something like a mantis or doepfer lc9

but start with the modules you actually want and need - paying attention to these points and then putting the case around them seems like a much better solution to me - remember you don't have too fill a case in one go!

EDITED Apr 19th 2021, 16:26

if you can't decide if you have enough or need more of something the simple and probably best answer is to postpone that decision until you can actually make it

buy a one or a couple of extra modules now and then work out what you need from playing with it

it's even easier if you buy the disting now - set it up as the modules you may think you want - it has vcas and quite a few different utilities, alng with quite a few other things - all of which are 'decent' or better fr what they are - and have a play, get used to using those algos (use favourites to simplify the module) and if you find yourself using disting as a vca then get a vca, or whatever

particularly if this happens for vcas - get more channels - a triple or quad cascading vca for example

if you think you need a mixer early on again get the cascading vca - its a vc-mixer!!! and it's vcas

the other great modules I have that work like this are maths and stages - they do what they do on the surface and then you can program them to do many many other things - i don't know about a stages illustrated manual, but the maths illustrated manual is a phenomenal learning tool - read it even if you don't have a maths or want a maths - you may need one afterwards

This is the third time I'm writing the response now and I'm starting to feel a bit pissed off, so excuse this abbreviated response. I thoroughly read your Post and studied your suggested build and am really thankful you took the time and effort to respond!

In Short:
Depth is not an Issue with my Case I built the Case to fit a flight case and it's not shallow in any sense of the word.
Though I was already expecting that someone would take to the BBD since it's quite specific and large for such a small case, Yet I'm quite partial to that Module.

As you so fittingly stated, your suggestion is just MoAR all over and a lot more intricate than what I had planned out so far. I'm quite happy to see plaits, LXD and disting make an appearance, since I'm pretty much sold on those. That being said building out the system as per your suggestion really is out of the question for me at the moment, I'd rather grow into the hobby a bit more naturally than pretty much start from scratch at this point. It just makes more sense to me that way.

That being said I would really appreciate your opinion on a few specific things:
Firstly aforementioned BBD, although I might be stubborn on that one I admit.
Secondly what's your opinion on the last two suggestions posted in the Thread, should I rather go Troux' route or should I go with the second mixer and stick with my last suggestion? I find it really hard to decide if I have enough utility and VCA's. Maybe I should swap the mini Mixer for two attenuverters or Offsets. Any help on that front would be much appreciated.
I know this might be much to ask of an experienced user who probably feels the build is a bit boring and inefficient the way it is. Anyhow I hope you can share some thoughts.

Again sorry for not going into detail that much, hope my reasoning is still fairly understandable..
Thank you again for your time and effort I'm really grateful for any suggestions.

EDITED Apr 19th 2021, 14:32

Umm, maybe you ask Dannysound to register as manufacturer at MG?
-- wiggler55550

I already asked ModularGrid, because that's what we're supposed to do as users.

Dannysound already has more than enough modules on MG to qualify without having to ask them to come here and make the request themselves, especially seeing as there is a community of users here, like me, who own modules of theirs and have a vested interest in seeing the information represented correctly.

@ Lugia, that's actually a really good idea. and i can also start very small that way, and if i end up wanting more out of the modular later i can simply expand.

Strange I had a 2nd quad vca in there at one point. I guess I took it out to make room for something else.
I have expanded the rack to include two intellijel 7u cases but had to put the 2x1u into a different rack because of the 4 row limit on MG.
How are things looking now? Any gaps you see with this modified config?

Umm, maybe you ask Dannysound to register as manufacturer at MG?