Thanks Lugia,
I'm going for an aggressive edge to Blues/Rock.
The terminology "noise/industrial-type stuff" scared me a bit, but I've been listening to some music with that tag and, yeah...A nudge in that direction is what I'm looking for.
If I can't tame the Cosmic noise I'll pull it and go more conventional.
The quadrature VCO/LFO you suggest sounds like a good idea, I'll contemplate it.
Might need another row.
Take care,
Burousu
Burousu
I can see that working for noise/industrial-type stuff, yeah. Although, my instinct would be to eliminate one of the Optomixes in favor of a proper VCO so you can get good audio-frequency modulation. In fact, one pops into mind immediately: Doepfer's A-143-9...quadrature VCO/LFO. That way, you get AF...but you can also switch it down to LFO range and make big use of the quadrature-phased outputs on the VCAs, O&C, etc.
Well, first up, you get 16 hp back since Clouds is discontinued.
The problem with these sorts of builds is that they just don't work out in small cabs. And that gets back to the 'start too big' idea: if you start off with an improbably huge case, you wind up realizing that, hey, it wasn't improbably huge. That strategy works for all builds, actually; start too large, then pare things down to workability (on your own terms...'workable' differs from user to user) gradually until you get to a result. Also, first builds on MG always turn out in the 'WTF?' zone, as far as a usable instrument is concerned. MG is perfect for this, tho...it's a great place to make mistakes, because they're not costly ones. Screw up? Just delete and restart. Try that with actual hardware; it's very spendy and totally frustrating.
Hello ,
What do you make of this as a stand alone instrument?
The "Cosmic Noise" is basically two Jupiter Storm's.
It's going in Doepfer A-100G6 Rackmountable Eurorack Case with Power Supply.
I want it to work with or without a controller/keyboard, but I have an old Arturia KeyLab 49 that will likely be hooked up most of the time.
Burousu
Awesome gear, now I understand what sounds I have been hearing :D
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Hello everyone.
So I want to dive deeper into the world of modular and get myself my first eurorack system. Im reading loads of articels and watching hours of youtube videos. This is what I came up with so far. The Idea behind this rack is that it functions as a hybrid. Bottom row is a synth voice and sequencer. Middle row is dedicated to drum sounds. Top row is in/out and effects.
But I'm not sure if this is even feasible. For instance, I believe that with the current system, I'm not able to output all of the sounds. I feel like there are more outputs or mixers missing. Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions. Your help is very much appreciated!
Cheers!
Hmmm... could have sworn I replied to you...
Anyway, thanks so much for looking over this dream system of mine I hope to slowly build out. I definitely want some "controlled randomness". I thought I was achieving that well enough with the Varigate 8+'s probablistic capabilities and the Metroplis' clock divider and shuffle capability. I'll have to look up stochastic skipper and some of these delay capabilities, they sound great. I'll probably drop the eloquencer; I don't think it's adding too much for its footprint and would be definitely the last one I'd buy.
BTW, one goal is to build this over time and have sound options, not using all at all times (even the sequencers). I have some semimoduler synths already, so thought percussion may be the way to go for me..
Anyway, thanks again Lugia for looking this over and dropping in some hints; this noob appeciates it!
Cheers,
Paul
Oh, yeah...that little DIRT filter is a sneak weapon. I've actually encountered it in real life, but you managed to hit the most excellent 'sour spots' in its behavior and bring out the industrial/acid-type nastiness that it does sooooo well!
Except...while there's a lot of different drum voices, I get the feeling you're neglecting the timing aspects. For instance, I see nothing in the way of gate/trig dividers and/or multipliers, or other clock manipulators (pulse counters, stochastic skippers, clock delays). And with all of that, you'd also need a nice bit of logic to allow conditional gate/trigger variation. It's ok if you just want the output from the sequencers 'straight', but aside of the one Euclidean sequencer there, this is lacking in ways to 'humanize' the rhythm feel and/or create controllable variation. Take a long stroll through the 'clock modulators' section here and get a feel for what all of that category's about, and then do the same with the 'logic' section, then give it another try. You may find that the real trick here is less sound generation and more sequential/timing complexity.
Also, you'll want audio delays. I can't even count the times I've used different delay-based strategies to generate hocket-like behavior to make rhythm patterns more complex.
Yeah, it really does sound like it’s folding waves now and then. Not just distorting them.
The idea is to pair this with the Pulsar 23 (when it releases) and an Eventide Space pedal. I feel like it looks pretty good, and more importantly a lot of fun. But my theorizing has proved less than accurate before...
The idea here is to have many different modules and sequencer arrangements along with some effects to act as a super sophisticated drum machine.
Pretty much! The only thing I'd move is the Erbe-verb, putting it between the Quad VCA and the outputs. That way, you can take the mix out of the Quad VCA and feed that directly to the Erbe-verb's mono in, and stereo out from that goes to the HN output. So you can use the Erbe-verb not only as a reverb, but as a 'stereoizing' module as well. Toss in a couple of multiples for the open space remaining, and that's got that build nailed.
Ill take a look at it! Thank you for the help dude, its great to have some input! One last question! As far as flow goes is everything in order? I fixed it with what you recommended. https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_705567.jpg?1532093766
Happy Nerding has a couple of nice ones, actually...their Isolator not only gives you a final stereo level trim plus transformer-balanced 1/4" outs, it has ground-lift switches per channel so that you can eliminate any sort of ground-loop hum with a switch-flip should that occur. That feature alone, especially if you play any live gigs and DI the modular into some random club PA, is very worthwhile!
Thank you so much for the response! I’ll definitely keep that in mind! What stereo output module would you recommend?
Not bad...mind you, Clouds is discontinued, but third-party builds can still be had. I'd also swap the uVCA for a Quad VCA, because more VCAs are useful. And some sort of stereo mixer into a proper stereo output module, and that'd do it. Maybe a passive mult if there's room, but if not, just use some in-line mults.
One last riff on the Clouds: maybe this would be a good swap: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/mordax-gxn- ...2 hp more, but it samples and mangles too, but with a lot more interface capability.
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_705567.jpg
I was thinking of starting off with a moog mother 32. If not I was thinking of starting off with a SV-1. Do I have everything necessary to get started? What do I need/what would you suggest to get started? And is the flow good or can it be rearranged. Thank you and I look forward to the responses!
Noise Reap's doing some really interesting, deviant design work. Not only is their stuff cheap, but it's quite weird as well. The uBermuda VCO's another bizarro device, with its internal self-regeneration behavior and so forth. They're doing things people need to pay attention to...
Another suggestion: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/emw-arcade-noise
Get yer Atari 2600 jones on!
Digitakt is the sequencer, octatrack is the effects processor./
also ableton you get it...
Hola,
This has reared its ugly head again with Sapel.
Someone posted this dupe https://www.modulargrid.net/e/frap-tools-sapel--
original: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/frap-tools-sapEl
I reveived my Radio Music this morning from @toneburst
good job (assembled module), communication and efficiency, maybe why not 5/5!
from a belgian sound maker.............
Could a "19" rack" category be added to the already listed Buchla, Frac etc. categories ?
I need some visual feedback on how to mount those genuine dust collectors/electric heaters units and am tired using PowerPoint for this. I think it's not THAT off-topic as it's always handy to have listed items and easy access to it (no "Reason" pun intended ?) precisely when there is already a "500 Series" one listed.
Your site rock anyway.
Thanks @modulargrid ! :)
Quick shipping of Basimilus Iteritas bought from @Elephantmat, recommended.
Any possibilities to have a poor traders thread? I had an incident where a guy from this forum sold me genuine Mutable Instruments Peaks but the module I received was a clone (verified this from Mutable instruments and they said it looked like a factory made clone, so most probably there are more clone units than the one I have).
The user who sold the module won't respond my messages anymore. Would like to warn everyone else as he seem to be selling a lot.
I haven't had any issues with cables being so loose that they fall out. It could be down to the brand of cables and possibly the weight of the cables and angle of the module. That rape joke is totally not cool though...
In order to get all the in/outs when used as a plugin you have to use Reaktor as an effect and not as an instrument. Hope that helps!
This could also be a bad jack in combination with grounding issues. To help troubleshoot, when the humming starts, try touching a wire to the lip of the jack at each end of the cable at the same time and see if the humming goes away. Also, does additional wiggling of the cable ever stop the humming?
That sounds like a ground loop, actually. Do you know if the powered speakers are on the same AC ground line as the synth, or whether they're grounded at all? If not, that would explain quite a bit.
Probably the best thing you can do is to take the time (and hookup wire) necessary to set up a star-ground to get all of the equipment on the same ground plane. It's time-consuming, but very worth it in terms of cleaning up noise and hum, and might only be necessary for a few pieces of your gear. Have a look at https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/star-ground/ for a very basic explanation of what needs doing...and as I noted, if you can do this only with certain offending devices to clear up the ground loop issues, that works just fine as well.
Here's a couple of feature requests regarding power.
- would be helpfull to have the 'manufacturer Approved' tag also in the datasheet
- it would also be helpfull where you show the total power consumption of a rack to add 'x of y Manufacturer Approved'
I recently started w modular and use the Malekko 8NU8R to get out audio to my speakers.
The issue is that as soon as I (accidentally) thouch the patch cable from the 8NU8R to the speaker the speaker starts humming and I can only stop it by unplugging/re-plugging the speaker. I have different cables from different manufacturers--no joy.
When I patch the cable to my Focusrite 2i2 soundcard instead and from there through the laptop/PC to the speaker all is fine and there is no humming if the patch cable is accidentally wiggled.
How can I improve this?
Lugia - thanks again for all the great advice and information. Very much appreciated.
Yep, that's an excellent choice! Not only does that give you VCA audio level control, you also get the panning under CV and CV on your AUX send as well. With that 2hp Verb, that's perfect...just patch the AUX send on the Toppobrillo to the Verb's Left input, and you get one-point stereo out. Patch that to your AUX returns, and you've got full CV over the reverb! Note also that the CUE send can work here, too...for example, patch that to the frequency shifter, and return that via a strip on the mixer, and you can drop signals in a similar manual AUX path from your cue sends. Just be careful to NOT activate the cue on that one strip for the frequency shifter, or bad feedback happens (unless you think that might be fun! as in...cue out to delay, delay to frequency shifter, FS to strip one with cue on, and manually control the feedback of that loop to get stairstepping pitch-shifted echoes of your other thru-cue signals! nuts!).
The other changes are primo, too! I see you went with the VCA control over the Quad VCO trick...that'll be loads of fun. Plus the VCSs. Yeah, this is shaping up to be a killer rig...
Thanks a bunch @PinPinKula for the µClouds! Good seller, fast delivery (2-3 days) to Germany.
So, I've gone in and made some changes based on your recommendations. One additional question - would you think that the Toppobrillo 4-chan vc stereo mixer (lower right) would be suitable for use as a VCA? I like the VC panning function.
Again, many thanks for your insightful advice.
This is really great information. Thanks for all these ideas. Lots to consider.
That's odd, then...I would suggest contacting Expert Sleepers about this. Maybe they have some insight as to what the trouble might be. Annoying, I'm sure...because what it's capable of doing is quite nifty, but if the patchcords won't seat, well...
Nope, standard 3.5mm hosa patch cables... loosest holes on my rack. I even have to jam it hard sometimes to get it to work.... shitty...(happy)... but really it's not great. Maybe I was sold a demo instead of a new. ahahahahaha baaaahhhhhh hmmmmm?
Nah, not 64 voices. Let's say you have an FH-2 plus a full compliment of seven expanders, so 64 outputs. That means you can break all of this out into, say, eight monophonic channels...with each channel having:
1) note CV
2) gate
3) velocity CV
4) aftertouch CV (poly-capable!)
5) assigned modulation controller CV
6) release velocity CV (yep!)
7 and 8) two more sets of eight for special modulation purposes, assigned as needed.
Now, for a live gig situation, this is a bit over the top, but you'd still want the first four. But when using the FH-2 via a MIDI interface, you can have your DAW send all of that stuff and the FH-2 will break it down as needed. And for complex generative work, having massive incoming control signals to up the complexity ante is always a plus. Plus, having the X and Y inputs in use as a pair of 'sense' circuits, able to send CV back to the DAW, means that you can continue the generative architecture on into the computer itself; something such as Ableton Live + MAX for Live would allow you to build up specific M4L objects to listen to and react to those return 'sense' lines for the M4L object(s) purposes. That would allow a generative process with full control feedback between modular and computer, and endless control-order possibilities!
You must be using 1/8" plugs. The vast majority of Eurorack makes use 3.5mm, which is a hair bigger (0.137", as opposed to 0.125") and while the difference usually doesn't matter, some jack manufacturers make products which are less forgiving of the mismatch.
