Variation on Shared System Plus with Black and Gold System Cartesian; now with correct number of modules for each row's available power
I just picked up a Mutant Brains, and like many folks interested in the module, I'm hoping to use it to allow my digitakt to control my eurorack rig. I've installed the module and I've sent a sysex file to it via Midi-OX. The lights on top of the unit blinked, but something's still off. To test it, I'm sending a basic midi track from Cubase out of my Scarlet 18i8 and into the Mutant Brains. (I'm sending it on ch 6.) The patch is mutant brains cv out to STO, mutant brains gate to Quadra, Quadra envelope to Quad VCA cv in, STO sub out to Quadra in, Quadra out to my output module.
The sound I'm getting is glitchy. When a single sustained midi note plays in the Cubase sequence, I'm getting lots of random notes that play from the STO. The Sysex settings are all pretty basic (inputs on ch 5-8, CV outs all set to "first note pitch," and then gates 1-4 all set to "first note on" and gate. Any guidance is much appreciated.
@pinpinkula Is a very good builder and a gentleman to do business with, kept his word throughout the process. His packaging of the modules was fantastic also! I would highly recommend using @pinpinkula to build you a module or to buy from A+++++
Here's a jam with this case!
FIELD KIT:
Field Kit Input 1 - Olympus S925
Field Kit Input 2 - Sony TCM450
Field Kit Input 3 - Korg Monotron
Aux Out - Korg Monotron
LFO on Low-Range (Triangle)
FIELD KIT FX:
Freq Shifter Mode
CV1 - Roll o Decks
CV2 - LFO
CV3 - LFO attenuated
Modulations:
Amount/SSR - CV3
Cutoff - CV3
TIME - CV1
TRESH - CV2
Input 1 - Freq Shifter Out
Input 2 - Delay Out
Input 3 - Spring Out
Input 4 - Multiplied Signal from the Sony Dictaphone
This was a great article! There’s a lot here to digest, think about and do more research on. One question, do any of your setups on this site serve as a good example of this design philosophy? Any you can point to as a good starting point for a beginner? I have a Grandmother I’m looking to expand at some point. Thanks!
Hello,
Since I can't sell a whole rack in marketplace I hope it's ok list it here:
2x Klangbau Köln qVCF
1x Barton Musical Circuits BMC 051 Preset Rhythms
1x Utility Modul (2x Multiples 2x Mixer, all activ)
1x Doepfer Clock Divider II A-160-2
1x Barton Musical Circuits BMC 016 Dual Nice Quantizer
1x Doepfer Dual linear/exponential VCA A-132-3
1x Utility Modul (2x Gain 1x Multiple 1x Mixer, active)
2x Barton Musical Circuits BMC 042 Simple AR
1x Clicks+Clocks Netzteil und Platine
550€
Thanks
In case they don't consider it an opportunity to get more ambidextrous ;-)
-- wiggler55550
Just a strange way of doing a mute button:)
In case they don't consider it an opportunity to get more ambidextrous ;-)
Please put the mute buttons on the right side of the outputs.
Is this DIY, or was it licensed to Blacet for frac format (like many other Syn Tech modules)?
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The answer is now part of the information above - thanks!
Shiny, percussive, any wire out makes for an interesting result.
Bottom four nobs make slightly sharp, nearly quarter tone up notes from: C6, F6, C7, F7
Liam "The Lemony Bard" Zaffora-Reeder
Check out Zadar by ...
-- cg_funk...the fact that it doesent go to negative voltages...
-- Tomes
...is not a problem at all once you have a CV 'conditioner' or mixing attenuverter/polarizer such as 321, SISM or, on a tight budget, M-120. They can scale and shift your CV where you need it. Combined with any old standard ADSR, LFO, ... , it will multiply their uses.
Check out Zadar by XAOC. It's like an envelope or transient generator but on steroids.
-- cg_funk
That looks interesting, but the the fact that it doesent go to negative voltages is a bit of a bummer, as i feel like thats something i should aim for now. Ill keep that in mind tho
LFO Triangle Wave at Audio Rate
Field Kit FX is in Freq. Shift Mode
Modulations:
Amount - CV 1
Control - CV 2
Time - CV 1
Cutoff - CV2
(Patch also sounds pretty good without the Envelope Follower on CV2)
I used the special cable from the Expansion Pack to route the Delay Feedback into the Freq. Shifter.
@Drazen: thanks!
A great seller, module in perfect condition, fast in replying, fast shipping ... all well taken care off!
great doing business with @indecentgesture ! much recommended
Thanks to @Mosiej for the erica synth bassline. quick delivered, well packed and perfect condition!
I see your point, but that's easy to mitigate if you're searching for something specific. Granted, I'd personally prefer if people hid their custom modules, but that's not easy to do and, again personally speaking, I can't be bothered to go and hide each new module that is custom and yet uploaded for all to see.
That being said, if you don't want to remove the Others, then you'll have to wade through all the custom Braids and other non-interesting modules, as they belong under Others and MG has no way of knowing what each user is interested in or not, unless you explicitly say so by using the Search function for something specific.
Hope that helps!
How about not showing Others?
-- ParanormalPatroler
I am interested in the Others category, but not clones of MI modules. I cannot really think of a good way to implement my wish, but nevertheless I would love if it was possible to fix. :-)
Goodmorning all,
I am new here on MG and exploring all the information about Modules, Brands and creative solutions. In the basics, I am able to understand the building blocks of a basic Modular setup.
It is my wish to use the Modular synth both as a synth for melodic sounds, as well as basslines and beats. Besides the basic parts like VCO, VCA, LFO and EG, which types of Modules should I be looking for to get those specific sounds? It should also contain a sequencer? Or special Bass lines/drums Modules? At first I looked for the combination of a Mother 32 and DFAM, actually I would like to incorporate those two together with Modules.
Thanks for your answers to get me really started!
Kind regards,
Johannes
The Netherlands
Yeah, no link on this one or the other two 'Bizarre' modules that've been posted recently. Damn shame...they look tasty, but without manufacturer/vendor links and/or more info, or worse still, depths and current draws on the first two, it'll be a bit of a stretch to get people jazzed about them (hint, hint!).
Check out Zadar by XAOC. It's like an envelope or transient generator but on steroids.
Yeah. You'll need a small mixer and output. I like the NE Xerest Pola for compactness, mute switches, and headphone out, but there are a lot of good options. I love all the NE stuff!
You'll also want a trigger or gate sequencer to power those envelopes. NE has a lot of options for those, the Bin-seq is only 4HP wide as a gate sequencer. Probably you'll want a small sequencer too, maybe shop for one that has a built-in quantizer (O+C can do that, for example).
I happen to have a 220HP 7U case and I keep my DFAM inside the case... it's basically the center of my rack and I patch it to everything, so it didn't make sense to pull it away and have 10 cables of spaghetti between the DFAM and the rest of the rack. If I were you I would eye a slightly larger rack space with the thought that basically one row is already spent on your DFAM and Erebus. In larger racks power consumption is the biggest limitation, and the DFAM/Erebus don't draw as much power per HP as a lot of tiny digital modules, so it works out well actually.
-- cg_funk
Yea i have been using the doepfer vca as a mixer/output now. Its not ideal since it has a bit of noise, not too much tho and does the job temporarily for now. The diy mixer i posted seems like a solution for this.
I have plenty of trigger outs in BSP, currently only using one. Lil erebus also has gate out i can sync to. I have been looking at the audio damage sequencer, but that would likely mean trading dfam away.. But sequencing from mpc through BSP and sometimes just BSP works ok for now. I feel like modulation is more important currently. But then i have this feeling in the back of my head that there is something else missing as well, but i dont know what. And there are plenty of different modulation sources that im unaware of. I do know that im not after some very basic LFO, i have one on erebus, that can actually get pretty interesting when clocking it through the divider module :) but still, there are 4 sound sources and only one very basic LFO in the setup. Maybe something that can make both envelopes and complex LFOs would suit me.
I was eyeing on the doepfer complex envelope generator / LFO, but then realized that it might nit actually be straight up many envelopes and LFOs, but something i dont quite understand..
Oh and one thing i really would like from a modulator is the ability to do slooooow complex LFOs. Running slow LFO to Loquelic Iteritas cv inputs sounds sick, especially if there were more than just one of them..
You might want to do a little research on an "Ornaments & Crime" module and the Expert Sleepers Disting Mk4.
They aren't dedicated modulation modules. But they have LFOs that can themselves be modulated as well as other sources of modulation (sequencing, quantizers, etc.). Each one will be under 300EU, definitely. The O&C gives you more modulation while the Disting has some audio effects (resonators, reverbs, delays, etc.).
What's nice about this type of module is that if you find yourself using a particular aspect of it over and over, you can then make an informed decision if you might want a dedicated module to perform those functions freeing up your original module to perform other functions.
Get the Moog out of your case. HP is expensive and you'll probably add more modules as time goes on. No sense in buying another case or a larger one when your Mother can sit right next to it.
-- Ronin1973
I already had looked at the expert sleepers module, but the lack of clear controls are a bit offputting, but that was just the first impression. Ill look at it some more. O&C looks interesting as well and seems pretty cheap for what it does. Ill definitely keep that in mind. Thanks
Yeah. You'll need a small mixer and output. I like the NE Xerest Pola for compactness, mute switches, and headphone out, but there are a lot of good options. I love all the NE stuff!
You'll also want a trigger or gate sequencer to power those envelopes. NE has a lot of options for those, the Bin-seq is only 4HP wide as a gate sequencer. Probably you'll want a small sequencer too, maybe shop for one that has a built-in quantizer (O+C can do that, for example).
I happen to have a 220HP 7U case and I keep my DFAM inside the case... it's basically the center of my rack and I patch it to everything, so it didn't make sense to pull it away and have 10 cables of spaghetti between the DFAM and the rest of the rack. If I were you I would eye a slightly larger rack space with the thought that basically one row is already spent on your DFAM and Erebus. In larger racks power consumption is the biggest limitation, and the DFAM/Erebus don't draw as much power per HP as a lot of tiny digital modules, so it works out well actually.
You might want to do a little research on an "Ornaments & Crime" module and the Expert Sleepers Disting Mk4.
They aren't dedicated modulation modules. But they have LFOs that can themselves be modulated as well as other sources of modulation (sequencing, quantizers, etc.). Each one will be under 300EU, definitely. The O&C gives you more modulation while the Disting has some audio effects (resonators, reverbs, delays, etc.).
What's nice about this type of module is that if you find yourself using a particular aspect of it over and over, you can then make an informed decision if you might want a dedicated module to perform those functions freeing up your original module to perform other functions.
Get the Moog out of your case. HP is expensive and you'll probably add more modules as time goes on. No sense in buying another case or a larger one when your Mother can sit right next to it.
Excellent transactions with @StateAzure, @kvlnkk and @djthopa. Thanks again guys! : )
Hi @LeSlow, that depends on what you mean by "alter" the gates. One thing you can do is plug all the gates from the expander, and then move from one to another sequentially (or in other manners). This module is a 4:1 or 1:4 switch or anything from 1:1 up to 1:4 and vice versa.
Let me know what it is you want to do in more detail.
I would like to be able to filter out all clones of Mutable Instruments modules. Each and everyone is making clones of them nowadays, and I am not interested in them at all when I go to https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modules/browser?SearchName=&SearchVendor=&SearchFunction=&SearchSecondaryfunction=&SearchTe=&SearchTemethod=max&SearchBuildtype=&SearchLifecycle=&SearchSet=&SearchMarketplace=&SearchIsmodeled=0&SearchShowothers=1&SearchShow1u=0&order=newest&direction=asc
I know that this is not easy to fix, but it would make at least me happy.
-- jgb
How about not showing Others?
Disting Algo E2 all default Parameter settings. Rise and Fall span a wide range of values depending on Z input and cross modulations leading to that input.
Octavian
Live set from Beacon Sound here in pdx.
Shared the bill with the amazing:
PLEA in support of Hataken (tokyo festival of modular) US tour :)
12u drum machine, which is also sequencing the Digitone for lead fm duties and being processed by the modular as well.
Recorded live and direct in the case with the new 4ms Wav Recorder !
Cheers and thanks for listening if you have a moment.
Hi everyone, first post here. I recently got into this eurorack thing and just got a few new upgrades for my rack the other day, but im still missing some modulations and perhaps some other utility modules. Im slightly lost with the rack and sorta scratching my head about which direction to take it towards.
Besides my rack, i also have beatstep pro, mpc live and an ipad connected to focusrite 6i6. 6i6 can take the output of modules, but it is a little noisy. Output module would be nice, but i feel like there is more important things i need first than to get rid of a little noise. I dont really need FX modules since i run all sounds through AUM on ipad and i can use FX plugins in it.
At the moment im mostly doing midi sequences, sampling them to mpc and making new ones. I feel like that is most likely the path i will continue now, instead of trying to build a proper standalone groovebox. I am considering that as well tho, and the new René looks interesting.. There is this mixer module im planning of buying at some point Uraltone tube sounding micro mixer but i definitely feel like i need some more modulation, something more complex than the simple LFOs on lil erebus. I looked as Ypsilon, but couldnt find pretty much any info on it, or videos on youtube.. I would naturally want to get cheap as possible and my budget is pretty much the midi guitar im trying to sell(hoping to get around 350€, but likely will need to settle for like 300€ or less) + not too much more.
Any ideas anyone? I know i will definitely want a buffered multi at least
I can make plenty of room to my rack by putting DFAM back to its own case and 3D-printing a case for lil erebus.
Bought an Intellijel Shifty from @StateAzure, everything great, practically new, thanks!
Hey guys
A while back I installed my mother32 in a 9U rack. In true Eurocrack style I filled the 9U, and now want to try and use my M32 case as another home for a couple more modules (keeping the M32 in the 9U rack).
Does anyone have any advice on doing this?
Much appreciated :)
CV Interface Input 1 = Roll O Decks (following the speed of the LFO)
CV Interface Input 2 = Envelope Follower
CV Interface Input 3 = LFO Attenuated
CV Interface Input 4 = LFO Unattenuated
LFO in Low Range
Master Out (guitar loop) -> Loop/Freq Shifter Intput & Input 4 VCA Mixer
Loop/Freq Shifter Out -> Digital Delay In & Input 1 VCA Mixer & Spring Rever Input
Delay Out -> Input 2 VCA Mixer
Spring Reverb Out -> Input 3 VCA Mixer
CV Routings (I was varying them during the video, so try around a bit):
Amount/SSR -> Roll o Decks
Control/Crush -> Envelope Follower
Delay Time -> LFO (attenuated)
Reverb Cutoff -> LFO (attenuated)
Thresh -> LFO
Braids, in addition to being discontinued and replaced by Plaits, is only a single signal source. What you need to look for is how many incoming oscillator CVs you see. Braids has only the single 1V/8va CV input, ergo it can only respond to a single incoming pitch value at any time. Contrast this with something like Flame's 4VOX, where you clearly see four separate, distinct VCOs. Now, on those, you DO see two CV inputs...but when you see something like that on something that's clearly a single source, it means that one of the CV inputs is for the 1V/8va pitch control CV, and the other one is actually for incoming modulation signals, such as from an LFO. And even moreso with the 4VOX, you have another CV input that's clearly labelled "PITCH"...so in its case, the 1V/8va signal definitely goes there. But...you could also send that to the CV1 or CV2 inputs and then use the attenuators for each to change the pitch response to something other than the usual 1V/8va, resulting in microtonal intervals.
Perhaps a clearer example would be Studio Electronics' QUADNIC...on that, you clearly see each of the four "1V/O" CV inputs for pitch control of the module's four digital VCOs, and the individual outputs for each one along with a mixed output of all, and a bussed-to-all modulation input. This is the sort of thing you want IF you opt to use quad-type modules which, granted, tend to save a bit over using single discrete modules both in terms of space and money.
If you don't have a Temps Utile or a Pamela's New Workout, I would suggest getting one. I'm loving my Temps Utile for having six clocks that multiply, divide, or I can just swap that out for a custom sequence, some Eucl., or other rhythmic pattern right inside the module.
Placing your semi-modulars in the rack looks convenient. But you're denying yourself access to future modules. You'll probably find yourself pulling one or both of the Moogs out of the rack eventually.
What are using to mix signals?
Perhaps you might consider an Intellijel 104 7U case? You'll have more room for growth as well as access to the 1U space for mixers (like the Quadratt), noise/slew generators, etc.
$15 lol... you don't have to recalibrate anything when you change the firmware
